The Notebook - REWIND

[00:00:00] Rain or shine, Nicholas Sparks still makes us cry. Well, not all of us. This week we're revisiting the iconic love story of the notebook for its 20th anniversary. Grab your tissues and settle in for a deep dive into Noah and Allie's passionate tear jerking journey.

[00:00:26] Welcome to the No More Late Fees podcast. I'm Jackie. And I'm Danielle. And we're just two best friends and ex blockbuster employees rewatching some of the best and worst movies from the late nineties and early 2000s. This week, we are talking about the 2004 romantic drama, The Notebook. It

[00:00:53] is finally here, Jackie. I'm not excited. But I am excited that we have our wonderful guest Christina, who is joining us for this episode to kind of level out the playing field. Yes, Christina, thank you so much.

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[00:02:17] under a rock. You must have been living under a rock. If you didn't know about this movie, I'll just tell you a little bit about it. The notebook is about a poor yet passionate young man, aka Ryan Gosling, who falls in love with a rich young woman,

[00:02:32] Rachel McAdams, giving her a sense of freedom, but they are soon separated because of their social differences. The movie stars Ryan Gosling, Rachel McAdams, James Garner, Gina Rowlands, James Marston, Kevin Conley, Sam Shepard and Joan Allen. The movie is directed by Nick Cassavetes. I hope I said

[00:02:55] that right. Written by Nicholas Sparks and Jan Sardi. And you can watch it on YouTube, Google and Apple for $3.99 for rent. I do not know why this movie is not streaming for free somewhere. Luckily, we had it on our Apple account. But really, seriously,

[00:03:17] why is this not on a free streaming site? It's a great question. I rewatched it today and had to rent it. It's ridiculous. It's what it is. And I don't understand. Before we start, let's get into our ratings

[00:03:31] rewind. So you know the drill. Before we get into the movie, we'll reveal the rating or Y2K versions of ourselves we give. Then at the end, we'll see if our current selves agree with our initial rating. Our scale consists of would buy it would

[00:03:46] buy it again, the best would plan repeat five day rental would watch again. Two day rental. Okay, but nothing to write home about. And same day rental. Plantation murder house trash straight up trash or Jackie's feelings about this movie. I

[00:04:07] would like to put a trigger warning on this episode that Jackie has coal in her heart. And the notebook is something she's probably about to shit on. Well, probably there is 100% chance of shit. I gotta hear this. 100% chance of cloudy days y'all. All right, Christina,

[00:04:29] we're gonna start with you. You your Y2K rating. I know you were just a baby when this movie came out. Tell me again. All right. I think my Y2K rating is the same as what I would rate it today,

[00:04:42] which is five day rental. Really? Okay. Yeah. Well, mine is would buy it because I do have it on DVD. God help you. of watching this movie for the first time. Let me add a little picture. Danielle and I did watch it together. I was at my

[00:05:06] sister's apartment in college. Shout out Heather. Allah. And it was Heather, her best friend, Chelsea, Danielle. We're all sitting on the couch. I was sitting on the floor leaning up against couch. whole movie happens. Like the old people

[00:05:24] die at the end. Spoiler alert. Credit starts to roll. I probably saw the back of my brain. I rolled my eyes so hard as I turned around to be like, what was that piece of garbage? And every person on the couch is hysterically crying and like,

[00:05:43] who's the best movie ever? I felt like I was in another, like dimension. world because I was like, in what world was that a good movie? I know I'm in the minority. But I will tell you my reasons as we go through this movie. Because Danielle did ask

[00:06:01] while we were rewatching it. She's like, how can you not at least respect the fact that it's like, well written? Well shot. And I did think about it. And I did have some answers. But I did not want to give all the answers until we recorded the episode.

[00:06:17] What is your rating Jackie's so everyone can send hate mail. It is a same day rental. This episode is not going to get any better with the slander. It's fine. We have two rational people on this panel today.

[00:06:34] Haters gonna hate. What can we say? So Jackie and I are together. So me, Jackie and Ken watch the movie. Now Ken does this wonderful thing where sometimes like if he didn't start watching it when we started watching it, he'll just like

[00:06:48] stand and pretend he's not watching it and have all this commentary and then say, Oh, no, no, I'm not watching. Sooner than later. He's on the couch. He's watching. He's fully enthralled with us. Yes. So I said to Jackie this week that pretty much she married

[00:07:06] the male version of me from a movie standpoint, like Ken and I could be on the like, what is it called the newlywed game when it comes to our movies. He loves a rom com. He loves Jane Austen

[00:07:22] Pride and Prejudice. He loves it eats it right up. And he's Yeah, I was getting it from both sides. Because he is like, there's nothing wrong with this movie. What? How can you hate this? I was like, it doesn't give you the feels at all. Like

[00:07:36] you didn't feel anything. No, I was sad that like, this is a deeper conversation at the end. But that was about it. We did all cry at the end of the movie. Yeah. How could you not? Right.

[00:07:49] And I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm Yeah, how could you not? Right. Not even I started crying before the end of the movie. Like, so let's get into this box office. It's no surprise that

[00:08:11] this movie killed in the box office because if America had a sweetheart, it's the damn notebook. Budget was 29 million. It made $117.8 million worldwide. It is the 15th highest grossing romantic drama film of all time. Roger Ebert,

[00:08:33] Lil Raj shout out to roll call of the Chicago Sun Times praise the film awarding it three and a half stars out of four. Three and a half stars out of four. I'm calling star reviews has given you go ahead look that up miss

[00:08:55] calling the photography striking in its rich saturated effects and stating that the actors are blessed by good material. In June of 2010. Entertainment Weekly included Ali and Noah in its list of the hundred greatest characters of the last 20 years.

[00:09:16] And we cannot forget that the two stars Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams won MTV movies award for best kiss in 2005. And literally changed how the movie that category was done because they were like the first to like do that you guys remember they did

[00:09:34] that crazy lift and make out session when they got their award. After that everybody knew they had to kiss once they won that award. Gotta love it. Gotta love it. Just wanted to set the scene of what what the consensus was about this movie

[00:09:51] in the nationals. I guys, let's hear a word from our pod pals. Hey, Sam, do you love rom coms? Absolutely not the worst. What? Just kidding. My favorite thing in the whole world. Yeah, I love them too. But my love life has not turned out the way the

[00:10:12] movies say that it will. Well, which do you think came first the rom com or our weird ways of thinking about love and romance? Well, that's a real chicken or egg scenario. And it seems like something maybe

[00:10:26] someone should talk about. Maybe us maybe in podcast form. Oh my god, you're so right. Each week on the rom complex we pick a topic and then we chat about the romance movies that have affected our lives for better or for worse. Mostly for worse.

[00:10:41] It's the rom complex with Shelby Swiderman and Sam front Tara. Really start breaking down the movie. This movie did go back and forth through a lot of different hands. This has happened with a few movies we've done so far where we've seen

[00:11:00] like many different directors, many different actors were attached. So originally, Jeremy Levin was hired to write the script, which caught the attention of Steven Spielberg in a 1998. So this movie came out in 2004. So that kind of gives

[00:11:16] you a sense of like how long it was bouncing around. And Steven Spielberg wanted Tom Cruise as Noah Calhoun? Question mark question mark question. I'm very glad that didn't happen. Yeah. I would have been out immediately. Jackie wouldn't have saw the movie if Tom Cruise wasn't it.

[00:11:39] But unfortunately, due to Spielberg's commitment to other projects that led Jim Sheridan to becoming attached to direct the following year in 99. But then it got pushed back because of rewrites. And then Sheridan backed out in 2000. And Martin Campbell enter negotiations to direct in 2001. And then it was

[00:12:00] finally he was replaced by Nick Cassavetes. And the year following. So yeah, tons of people touched that movie. And a lot of people were in the rankings for casting. So there was a nationwide search conducted to find the right

[00:12:22] actress to play Ali. Actresses who auditioned for their role included Jessica Biel, Britney Spears, Ashley Judd, Reese Witherspoon. And then Rachel McAdams was ultimately cast. Britney Spears? Yes. Can you imagine? So here, this is a mess, right? Where my heart gets very a flutter. So I don't know

[00:12:46] if I've ever said this on a show. But I was obsessed with the Mickey Mouse Club on Disney Channel. So when we moved to Florida from New York, and I finally got the Disney Channel, your bitch was all about it. Okay. All day, every day. Kids

[00:12:58] incorporated Mickey Mouse Club. And I like really felt I felt like I was being punished that I couldn't go to Buena Vista to go be in the audience and watch my favorite show. And then like

[00:13:12] when we got to high school, all the people that I watched on the Mickey Mouse Club when I was in elementary school blew the fuck up. We had NSYNC, we had JC, we had Justin Timberlake, then Britney came out. We had Christina Aguilera. Ryan Gosling?

[00:13:27] Ryan Gosling was also on the Mickey Mouse Club. And when so when it happened, when that new cast came, it was Ryan Gosling, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, and Britney Spears, as well as three other cast mates, Nate, Ryan, no, it's not

[00:13:44] Ryan. Can't remember the other two, Nikki and another boy that I can't remember. But I'm damn good for remembering the other two. I would say because I am surprised by that with my memory. They when they came on the show, like I remember when that new

[00:14:00] cast came. And so the fact that Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears almost were in the running against Ryan who lived with Justin Timberlake for a while when he was auditioning because he's from Canada. Yeah, they became good friends when

[00:14:17] they were on the Mickey Mouse Club. And Ryan's mom let you know, had Justin's mom take care of Ryan so that he can audition in the States. And so yeah, they competed for this role. But I don't think that Justin would have had the chops for this

[00:14:33] movie. No, no. Who were the other what other girls that you say Jessica? Did you say Jessica Alba? Just Jessica Beal. So Jessica Beal. She actually auditioned when she was doing Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And so she like literally had blood splatter on her auditioning for the role.

[00:14:58] That's funny. See, I liked her in that. But I can't imagine I don't think I've ever seen her in a role. Like a romantic sort of role. I have. Well, she's been she was in I'll be home for Christmas.

[00:15:13] And she was in summer catch with Freddie Prinze Jr. She's been a few a few things. She was in Valentine's Day. Oh, right. Yeah. No, still don't think she would have been right. No, I don't. I really do think you needed the acting chops.

[00:15:29] Like I could have saw a Reese Witherspoon in this like this is right up her alley. She wouldn't have had to pretend with a summon accent either. Have you ever seen Rachel McAdams audition tape for this movie? No. Oh, it's good. Really? I mean, she was like, yeah,

[00:15:44] emotional, like on demand. She I mean, there was no question. She went in there and like killed it. Which is crazy because she got the script literally a day before she went for her audition. I couldn't even imagine.

[00:15:58] Yeah, so I mean, watching it, you're like, there's no there's no other option. There was a bit of nepotism in this movie. Really? A little reverse. So Nick Cassidy is a director cast his mom as the

[00:16:16] older alley his mother is Gina Rollins. So I had no idea. I didn't know that either. But she was so cute. Like she was. And I think she's a perfect fit. Yeah, I totally saw her as Elder Alley. Yeah, like it fit perfectly. So it wasn't like a

[00:16:36] miscast or anything. Yeah, it was just a happy happenstance. That it all worked out that way. Yeah, but I didn't it. James Gardner did not him and Ryan nodded in the in the slightest. I was just thinking the same thing. That was Yeah.

[00:16:53] And it's funny because George Clooney was going to play Noah and the older version was gonna be Paul Newman. And I'm like, that wouldn't have looked right at all. It's funny how they had like older actors. And I just feel like they're supposed to be

[00:17:08] in their teens and 20s. And some of the movies so that just felt weird. But I could have seen Paul Newman playing the older version of Ryan Ryan. Just that. Yeah, yeah. So when they did that photo album, and they were showing

[00:17:27] like younger versions of Gina and like they use their actual pictures. I was like, he looks the same age as Ryan, as Noah when we last saw them together. What is happening? The same? Yeah. Like, I don't know why they didn't just like, make them look

[00:17:51] older a little bit. I don't know that always takes me out of the movie. Those pictures were not fabricated. That is Gina Rowlands is like photo album. And then they just Photoshop young James Garner on her husband's face for all those photos. Oh, wow. Smart. Smart. Yeah.

[00:18:11] Yeah, you can tell those were her actual pictures that I can see. But yeah, her husband didn't look a little off to me. They were both banging in their day. I'm not gonna I give it to Oh, she was banging for sure. Yeah. But my mom loved James

[00:18:28] Garner and some of those Western movies and stuff. He could get it too. I gotta Google young James Garner. Yeah. All right, Jackie, you ready? As I'll ever be. The movie opens we are in what state are in South Carolina?

[00:18:51] I think so. Yeah, where we are. I'm guessing. Yeah, because Charleston, right? Yeah. Yeah. So the movie opens on a lake. The longest credits. I was like, can we use like, no. Need the full dragging on it. She was like, if you're gonna suffer, you're gonna suffer.

[00:19:16] You didn't like the opening credit. It's cute. I mean, it was a song, you know. So there's like a robo someone's on the water rowing a boat. Then we see like this huge plantation on the water and we

[00:19:32] are introduced to an older lady. She's at the window kind of looking out at the man rowing the boat. There is some voice over that he is just a common man who led a common life. And

[00:19:46] for some reason, I mean, I know the reason it was to throw off the audience. They call older Noah Duke. Yeah, so do comes to read to this lady every day. You ain't never had a nickname. Jackie, I'm just saying.

[00:20:06] It was it was like, been had always called him Duke or something like it like it could have been a real easy like throwaway line that most people would have missed anyway. But then like some reason why he was called Duke. Yeah.

[00:20:25] Or like, call him Cal because at least that's part of his last name. True. Yeah. Like something so he walks in and he he has his story he's gonna read to this lady, the nurses tell him it's

[00:20:39] not a good day. And then he begins telling her what you come to find out is the story of their lives. So it is June of 1940. And this movie is told in flashbacks, and then it'll come

[00:20:51] to present day here in there. So we see Ali is at a carnival with her friends. She's on the bumper cars and Noah sees her and is immediately enamored. Okay, so I'll just get out of the way. Why? This movie does not resonate with me.

[00:21:10] Noah proves himself over and over and over again to be a stand up dude that is willing to do anything for her. She literally does the bare minimum. She's just pretty. That's what is attracted to him. Like I find no qualities that endear me to

[00:21:33] I don't have a problem with that statement. So like, it's very hard for me. Like why is he so invested in her? When like, it would have been really easy to just just show me something like when he's talking about like, I'm gonna build this house

[00:21:48] one day. She literally is like, well, don't I get to say instead of like, Oh, I can help you do this or I can do this. And then she's like, no, I'm not gonna do that. And then she's like,

[00:22:00] Oh, I can help you do this or I can do this to make this house a home. Like, instead I was like, what are you gonna do for me? She's a kept woman Jackie. Yeah. So interesting that you

[00:22:12] say that she's living the dream. I guess. But at the same time, she prides herself on rebelling from her upbringing. But doesn't show anything aside from learning how to drive a car, which her mom drives a car. So that's not even really that

[00:22:28] wild and crazy. Yeah, there's nothing that endears me to Ali. Well, I think that that's why Rachel McAdams was such an important factor in this movie. The interesting thing is that from the book to screen adaptation, Ali actually doesn't

[00:22:52] have a huge role in the book. So the source material doesn't give her a lot to work with in the first place. The entire book is from the perspective of Noah. But I think because of Rachel McAdams just being such a strong lead, they expanded her role. So

[00:23:11] that probably explains some of the gaps of why we're not really seeing much that makes us kind of like attached or just to see what Noah sees about Ali. But it is kind of interesting because it is from a male perspective, so much so that the value,

[00:23:29] especially back then of what a woman was, was good looks. If she came from a decent family. Like, I think now, nowadays, we actually you know, there's we look for more in partnerships. He didn't even care about any of that. So like, what attracted

[00:23:52] him to her pretty and we're talking aside from we are talking initially, right? Not after. No, like, throughout the movie, like I didn't really feel like she was a 5050 partner. Well, I think I'm putting forth the effort 100% of the time. I will say 100% 90%.

[00:24:19] I feel like that's usually the case, though, with like traditional courtships, right? You have like the man is attracted to the woman based on like physical attraction. And then you know, you have common commonalities between the two

[00:24:33] of you, but he's pursuing her and then I think what's endearing about her is how much she loved him and didn't care about what her parents said, regardless of whether or not he was good for her. I think that's when that's when I started to feel like a

[00:24:53] resonance with her and her character because it's like, Oh, okay, I've been in that, you know, my parents hated all my boyfriends. I also think that he does like he actually does list in the movie like the there will he talks about the relationship,

[00:25:09] but why it works and he said it a few times in the movie that she really challenged him. You know, like I think if he didn't meet Ali, he would have, like he said, he would have been a

[00:25:22] common man, a regular man done just the bare minimum. He didn't want to, he didn't aspire to much or whatever. But because of her background and who she was as a person, I think that really

[00:25:34] pushed him to go way outside of his peer view of what like what he was used to. And the way his friends described him, it didn't seem like that was his personality to like, they said whatever he wants, he does go after it pretty hard. But you

[00:25:52] could tell from I forgot the girl's name, his friend's girlfriend, like, he did not approach women the way that he did with Ali. It was like the moment he saw her he was that was it for him. And he went at it like full blast. But I think

[00:26:10] normally he was a quiet, kind of shy person. So yeah, I just think it could have been shown better where she's like, because they show them bickering, but they don't ever show like her putting him in his place. And like backing it up and like him

[00:26:28] being like, okay, yeah. Like there was no debating where it's like, Okay, yeah, she really does keep them in check when he starts acting a fool or whatever. Like it was just, just for me the character of Ali. I love Rachel McAdams. She was

[00:26:44] beautiful in this movie. Her outfits to die for it just the character itself. There is just nothing for me. I think one of the more endearing parts about this movie why I think it resonates for so many women is because in

[00:27:01] a lot of movies, we're kind of taught that as women to be with somebody or to get like a quality guy to be attracted to them, we have to do all these things, we get a makeover, we

[00:27:13] get to do all these things. And this movie, it showed just like a man absolutely adoring the woman and her just being herself. Ali, he said she was a brat, she was this whatever, but he absolutely loved her and all her flaws. And she didn't have to do

[00:27:34] anything. She didn't have to earn him. She didn't have to. She just had to show up and he adored her to the day he took his last breath. And I think that speaks to a lot of women because it's not something that you necessarily see every day in

[00:27:50] your life. So Noah jumps over the gate at the bumper cars and is like, you want to you want to dance with me? She keeps rejecting him. He then follows her to the Ferris wheel where she's she gets on it

[00:28:08] with another dude. And he like jumps on the car. There is no safety. Very insane. And they get to almost the top and he's like, still asking her out still pursuing her. And this scene like made me uncomfortable. Like she is literally told you know multiple times.

[00:28:30] Oh, I want to Okay, I have something to say about that. But well, I was just thinking it's funny because looking at this part of what makes this movie like, I don't know for me, it's like, Oh, is how much he pursued her despite her rejections at

[00:28:46] first, right? It's like, Oh my goodness, like, I would love for a man to pursue me like that. But if a man did that present day, like, sir, where do you live? Because I'm serving you with a restraining order. Like we don't have a problem. And so I

[00:29:00] just think it's funny, like, why do you think we find it endearing in movies that are set in the past versus today where that wouldn't fly? I don't you know, I think it's just like how much we've learned and how much access to information and being for women

[00:29:18] as we progress, you know, even from back in the 2000s. To now there's just been so much more education and understanding that we don't have to live in the male gaze kind of situation. And so back then when I watched the movie, I saw no problems with the

[00:29:36] way that Noah approach Allie. But now I did cringe at it. Because now the knowledge base is a little bit more to say, this is disrespectful. Like, you don't really you don't know me. And you're this aggressive with me. It's, it's a little scary.

[00:29:56] Like, you seem a little like you need some mental help. You're on it. Like, the people she was with weren't even really protecting her. Like, they're like, yeah, that's just no, I like no, like, tell him to get the fuck out. Like, she said no, she was no

[00:30:15] respect her words. You know, and they pushed for it. Go out with him. Yeah. So he does get his date because he hangs from the Ferris wheel at the top. And then like, let's go with one hand into finally, she's

[00:30:31] just like afraid that he's gonna fall. So she agrees to go on a date with him. At least she cares. I would have been like, go ahead and jump. But she kind of lies to him because later on, we see them

[00:30:43] meet up again. And, and he's like, I'm ready for that day. And she was like, you can kick rocks for all I care. And it's not till their friends again at the movie theater, push them into a date situation that she didn't ask for. So yet again, her

[00:31:00] rights are being violated. Poor Allie. So yes, they do go to the movies. He just sits and stares at her the whole movie question mark. Yeah. And I don't she looks over he's staring at her. Let's be real. Okay. Do you ever? Do you ever find men who

[00:31:21] literally don't care about rejection? Like they laugh in the face of rejection? No, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. Yeah, I've never met a man who doesn't care about rejection. Like they laugh in the face of rejection more attractive.

[00:31:38] No, no, it gives I get BD from Noah. I'm sorry. I do. Well, it's because it's Ryan Gosling. If a man in real life, I'm gonna tell you a story. One of my neighbors, growing up, like I moved into this house. I'm right next door to Ken

[00:31:55] And when I got there, there's a bunch of kids in the neighborhood and there was this kid, the moment he saw me, that was it for him. And the insanity that came, he did not listen to me saying, I am not interested.

[00:32:09] He thought putting a dead frog in my mailbox was like something endearing. Yes, yes. We went to the same high school. He was a little bit younger than me. We had a fire drill. I was with the guy I liked.

[00:32:22] He came up and tried to carry me out of the building. Things that you would see in the movies he was trying to do. And after a while, I had to really cuss him out so that he can get in his head that I was not interested.

[00:32:36] And I started to get scared because it was just so much. He told me when he saw me, I walked in slow motion. That's great for you. But not for me. But if he had looked like Ryan Gosling. Okay, touche, that's fair. Maybe. That's fair.

[00:32:54] You have to have some sort of attraction to that person for them to be able to get away with behavior like that. Yeah. So after the movies, their friends are driving home and he's like, no, let's walk home. And she agrees. I don't know what makes her agree.

[00:33:11] Right. Yeah, I'm not sure. It's not like they had this huge spark during the movie. No. Maybe she just was like, I give in or whatever. But I really did feel bad for Rachel McAdams in this scene because I always say

[00:33:27] if you can see the air, like the, I don't know what you call it. Yeah, it was so cool that you could see their breath. And so here's Ryan Gosling with a flannel jacket and pants and he's warm.

[00:33:45] And Ali has this little cardigan and a thin ass dress. And I'm like, this is so not fair that she's having to endure this cold ass air. I didn't even notice that. Yeah. That's a good observation. Her dresses were, like you said, Jackie, her outfits were on point.

[00:34:05] Gorgeous. Yeah, she looked great the entire movie. There is a plum dress that she wears at one point, like when she starts dating James Marsden, that is just like the most beautiful gown I've ever seen. I was like, it's so pretty.

[00:34:22] I think my favorite scene looks wise was when they got engaged. She looked like with the white dress and the red lip. I mean, she looked flawless. That white dress was amazing. She looked gorgeous. After watching the movie, I went to go look up

[00:34:41] who actually was the costume designer. And her name is Karen Wagner. She just did an amazing job because she has so many outfits in this movie and she looked flawless. There's this red hat she wears when she goes to see Jason Merson's character. Come on.

[00:35:02] Yes, and even Kim was like, look at that hat. So she did the costumes for the Green Mile, the TV show Underground, and the movie Alice is among other things. But she did an amazing job on this movie. Yeah, she looked great. So they get to talking.

[00:35:23] The streets are deserted. So they're kind of just walking through the middle of town, get to talking. He's asking her like, what do you do for fun? And she really doesn't have a good answer. She eventually comes up on I like to paint, but essentially,

[00:35:38] like I don't get to paint that much. But I do like it when I do it. And she's rattling off all of the things she has to do, like her little finishing school and studies and all this stuff.

[00:35:51] And he's like, it doesn't seem like you even have any free time. It doesn't seem like you're free at all. And she's like, I am free. So then he plays this game of chicken behind me. There we go. Where he lays down in the middle of a crosswalk.

[00:36:09] And he's like, come lay next to me. So to Danielle's point, now she's in thin clothing, laying on cold ass concrete, asphalt. Question. Let's say you're on the best day ever. Are you laying on the street? Yes. I can't do it.

[00:36:28] I want to show that I'm the best date ever. I want to show them the cool girl and I know I am just, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not laying my body on the dirty floor. That's my limit. I have no problem with that.

[00:36:46] That's why I probably why I'm still single. Probably why I've been in a lot of, I don't know. My children didn't know that great either. So I don't really know what to say, but I would do it.

[00:36:56] He does tell her you don't do what you want to do. You do what everyone else wants you to do. And you need to learn how to trust other people. So then they're laying in the middle of the street and then eventually a car

[00:37:07] comes up and vroom, vrooms up on them and they hop up and run to the sidewalk. And she's hysterically laughing. And she was like, that was so much fun. So now. I think that's another thing.

[00:37:22] So one of the things that Noah sees about her is that, and I think this happens for a lot of people because you get wrapped up in your parents' expectations or, you know, if you, especially

[00:37:33] if you have a tight leash, I think he notices that she is a full on free spirit and somebody is literally trying to like smash out the life out of her. And I think he just noticed that light about her that I don't even think she recognizes that

[00:37:51] someone was trying to like manage her, you know, contain it. And all he ever wants for her, even if she's not with him, is for her to be able to be that person he sees.

[00:38:06] He sees Allie, like who she is, even when she can't see it, which I thought was really sweet and nice. That's interesting. I don't think I read into that part that much. It kind of was like, I took it for like face value.

[00:38:24] It was like, she's like, oh, I have, you know, this class and this thing. And I play piano and I do this. And he's like, okay, you don't sound like passionate about any of those that just sound like a to-do list. Right.

[00:38:36] So is that what you like to do or, you know, like, she just didn't sound convincing. Yeah. And I think that's why he tries to push her to like do some fun stuff.

[00:38:46] But that moment where she kind of breaks and you see her laugh like that, that's the real Allie. That is who he already saw before. And it's like, he was like, yes, I knew she was in there. Yeah. Isn't that what we all want though? Yeah.

[00:39:04] To just like, you know. Yeah. He just almost had to run over to get in front of her. I think it's romantic. I love it. Run me over, daddy. That's a new shirt. That's a new shirt. Run me over, daddy. I'll wear it on a hoodie.

[00:39:23] Send me that. I'll have them laying on the floor. Yeah. This image with run me over, daddy. I'm buying it. So in this scene still after they almost get run over, he does ask her to dance with him again. They dance in the street.

[00:39:43] He's humming a real out of tune tune. Is this his go to move? Because one of the first things he asked her is like, will you dance with me? Like real aggressive.

[00:39:56] Was it you or Kim when we were watching this that were like, he won't have any moves left after this? Yeah. I think it was. Was it you? Yeah. In this scene because I'm like, we've already gone for a walk, asked her what her hobbies

[00:40:09] were, what she liked to do for her late in the street, dancing in the street. I'm like, there's nothing left. Like your bag of tricks is going to be empty. And I was like, he's Ryan Gosling. His bag is endless. Amen. So now they are inseparable.

[00:40:27] She goes over to his house. Yeah. We see like a prank. We see a montage of them. There's just like making out everywhere and jumping on each other. You know, kids in love, kids in love. Yeah.

[00:40:38] And it is important to note that she goes to his town Seabrook. Is that the name of the town? Yeah. Is where they have their summer home. So her family only comes during the summer and then they go back home. I think it's Charleston.

[00:40:53] So when she goes to their house, Noah is sitting on the porch with his dad, Frank, and he's reading his dad poetry. Walt Whitman. And his dad tells her like, he's done this ever since he was little. He had a stutter.

[00:41:07] And so this is kind of how he was able to practice speaking without stuttering. She brings them a painting because she has now started painting again on, I was encouragement. And then the dad's like, let's go have breakfast. You know what? It's late o'clock.

[00:41:24] And he's like, it's never a bad time for breakfast. It really isn't. I love me some IHOP at any time in the day. And then we see more of them just spending time together there at the beach. She really wants to be a bird for some reason.

[00:41:40] Let me just say, I do, despite Jackie's very hard opinions, I have to give her props because she is deathly afraid of birds. And this movie is full of them. Everywhere. Do you have a bad experience with birds? No. I just, I can't stand them.

[00:42:03] Like, I am terrified of them. I don't want- Of all bird species. Penguins are okay from a distance. I don't want to touch one. Like little puffins? Like, a puffin, I feel like, falls into the penguin.

[00:42:18] And then I do appreciate owls, but any other bird, no thank you. But she's fine if they're not in the picture. She's fine if they're not like real in front of her, because we played a board game last night. It was my first time. What was it called?

[00:42:36] Wingspan. It's, I'm gonna be honest, it's a nerd game for sure. Sounds like it. It's some National Geographic shit, but it was very, I'm not gonna lie, it was very calming. It was fun. There's some strategy. I almost won. I lost by one point. How do you know?

[00:42:57] Like, is it like just National Geographic facts? There's facts on the birds, but like it's not like that. It's just like- All birds. That's why it's called Wingspan. It's all birds. Yeah. Yeah. So essentially you just collect birds and then you like catch them on your board and

[00:43:13] they get you points and stuff like that. Just hearing it said out loud. I know. Sounds like a real hoot. See what you did there. It's even more fun to play with my sister who is obsessed with animals and she makes

[00:43:29] you read because each card has like the wingspan on it and like where they live and a fun fact. And you have to read all of that as you play your bird. So it takes exponentially longer to play. All right.

[00:43:43] This is where you see that she is a free spirit. It's just them alone on the beach. She's talking about how she wants to be a bird and he's like, well, if you are a bird, then I'm a bird too. He's just like, I'm down for the ride.

[00:44:00] Wherever you go, boo, any lifetime I'm with you. That's pretty much it. And you know, I mean, I don't know what other people's beliefs are, but I do believe like I think it's a possibility we can have reincarnation. I do believe in it.

[00:44:16] And I do think that like people you've known for from other lifetimes, like I think that's why you have those like instant I'm in love with you. I feel like maybe there's a connection from a previous time or whatever. And I do. I just I don't know.

[00:44:35] I could see Ali and Noah being little soulmates. Then they're at the lake with their friends. She's scared to swing on the rope swing. Get in the water. When all those celebrities were coming about out about not bathing, I use that clip

[00:44:59] for Instagram and I put like over Ali, all the celebrities not bathing and the rest of us telling them to get their ass in the water. Oh, the the bathing suit in the beach scene. Both bathing suits are so cute.

[00:45:15] But the beach scene in particular, because she has the head wrap with it. Yeah, right. In my polka dot. So cute. I just feel like those bathing suits were so much more forgiving than the nonsense we have. Now I want to go back to a bathing suit.

[00:45:31] You know what I mean? I dress head to toe and. Jackie. I have bathing capris. I burn easily. Yeah, Jackie can't do the sun. So we were a perfect pair when we met in high school. So imagine this.

[00:45:49] We're both in Florida and we're like, I don't like the beach. She's like me. They're perfect. We would go and we would have all the things to like prevent us having to go to the beach. Prevent us having to really be in the sun.

[00:46:03] And I don't like with you guys. Yeah, it's overrated. Don't get me started on sand. No, that's it. That was it. So it's a combination of the fact that my mom made me watch Jaws as a young child and that

[00:46:19] she said when I was little, like she put me in the sand and I was like, nah, homie, I don't know what this shit is. I don't like it. No part of that.

[00:46:28] I don't like salt water, like when it dries on your skin and like I don't want any part of it. And it's funny because Danielle and I were in this friend group and they would always be like, let's go to the beach at night and stuff.

[00:46:43] And Danielle and I are like, we're going to play GameCube. We'll be like, we're not doing that. Thanks. And then each night it's fun if it's like, you know, you go and you're like, you know,

[00:46:58] dressed and you have sneakers on and you're not trying to Sunday than be in the water and in the sand. And it was also like an ordeal because like my hair, my per, like, first of all, getting

[00:47:12] sand in my hair and knowing that like my hair routine, like I had to know that my hair was about to be washed to go ahead and do these, you know, this nonsensical thing you call the beach life.

[00:47:25] So I didn't like the fact that, you know, I didn't like going to the beach with my Caucasian friends because they always look cute coming out of the water. And I look a damn mess. Frizzy hair. Your hair was beautiful.

[00:47:42] It's just that the damn beauty standards didn't teach us that. You had beautiful curls, Christina. Thank you. You're welcome. I still would have liked, you know, because to me, honestly, every person that comes out of the water looks like a fucking wet dog.

[00:48:03] Nobody looks beautiful coming out of that. I was going to say my hair, like half of it is plastered to my face. I got one eye open because the salt water's running in it. Not cute. So we also see Noah teaching Allie how to drive a car.

[00:48:22] She's not very good. Yeah, he doesn't. One thing I do say, no, he claims he has patience, but he'd be yelling at her a lot. And he was quite upset with this in this scene too.

[00:48:36] I mean, as someone who learned how to drive a manual transmission car from a significant other, that scene was pretty good. That seems like a recipe for disaster, honestly. So now there is some more voiceover.

[00:48:54] He says, we didn't agree on much and we challenged each other, but we were also crazy about each other. Is this the next scene when they go to her parents' house for dinner? No, this is... Oh, this is just prior to that scene.

[00:49:12] This is when he's dropping her off and it's late. So daddy says bring him for dinner on or bring him... Is it for dinner on Sunday? Yeah. It's during the day. Yeah. Well, you know, some people eat early for dinner. That's true. Especially on Sunday after church. Yeah.

[00:49:31] So he goes and has lunch with her family and their hoity-toity friends. And then he goes to her parents' house. And he goes and has lunch with her family and their hoity-toity friends.

[00:49:44] And one person has the audacity to ask him how much money he makes at the lumber yard. So rude. These people are atrocious. I am going to take this time to say when I first watched this movie, I didn't fully grasp everything about it.

[00:50:09] The things that are glaringly there. So I understand that this movie is a Southern white drama. And... But the thing about this movie, it's not like they just had white people in it.

[00:50:25] They did a thing where there are a ton of Black people in this movie as props. They're not even like real. There's a lot of caricatures. There's some mammy caricatures in some of these characters. All the way into when they're at the nursing home in present day.

[00:50:43] And the Black characters are just in the background, which obviously it tells a lot. It tells how these types of people did feel about Black people in general. They're the help. They're the help, quote unquote.

[00:50:59] But they do show the dichotomy between how Ali's family treats Black people and how Noah and his dad treats Black people. Because Noah and his dad are not just having Black people around serving them. They are in community with them. They're playing music with them.

[00:51:20] Now, you don't get a bunch of people with actual speaking roles. There is no real Black character. I will say that. But you can see the difference. And it is a true telling of people in this area, in the South.

[00:51:38] And I did point out to Jackie and Ken, in one of the scenes, you can see Ali clearly lives on a plantation or maybe... Yes, yeah. And the house that Noah builds up is a plantation.

[00:51:51] But on Ali's property, you can clearly see the plantation houses outside of the gate. You can see them all lined up. Which it still blows my mind. From a historical standpoint, I understand it still exists. But just to see it in this movie, it's just like, no problem.

[00:52:14] It did cause some discourse in my heart. Really, though? Because I just feel like it's true to the time. It's true to the time. But this movie, just like... This is one of the reasons.

[00:52:27] A movie like this is one of the reasons why we even to this day... We have Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively getting married on a plantation. Why these people still have these fantasies of living on the plantation.

[00:52:40] So it's just like you're taking what you want from the historical sense of it. Yes, it's beautiful. But to know the bloodshed, the horrific things... I could not feel comfortable just parading around there, knowing the atrocities that happened. I get that.

[00:53:02] So they have the weird dinner with the family. The mom is very devious in the way she handles this situation. She does not want Ali dating Noah. But she doesn't say it flat out. She doesn't try at first to be like, you can't see him anymore.

[00:53:20] And the dad is very much like, it's summer love. It's fine. And she's like, it's not fine. So then she mentions that Ali has been accepted to Sarah Lawrence in New York. And he's kind of like, I want what's best for you.

[00:53:35] So if Sarah Lawrence is what's best for you, then that's what you should do. Like he's not phased by the mom saying this at this time. But you know, like the mom is plotting. Behind the scenes. I just feel like no one can play an uppity rich woman

[00:53:57] or even give competition as an uppity rich woman like Joan Allen can. Yeah. She stay in that rich uppity bag in her career, 100%. I love that about her. She plays it well. She does. I mean, that role was meant for her. I believe her.

[00:54:20] And after I mean, like, after this, this is when Noah, when Ali comes to her his house, and obviously they're making out has progressed more. Like they're at a point where, okay, we can't just keep making out anymore kind of thing.

[00:54:36] And so Noah's like, let me take you somewhere. And I said this when we were watching it, but it reminded me of the movie Teen Witch. I was like, so is this a thing where we take the girls that we like to really messed up

[00:54:50] murder houses to try to get it on? It's a second location. It is a second location. And this is where Noah takes Ali to the plantation house. Now what I do like is that Noah had it in his mind.

[00:55:05] He's always been in love with this house before he even met Ali. So it was always something that he wanted to do was to get enough money to buy it and picks it up. But now Ali has inserted herself to say, I'm a part of this dream.

[00:55:19] This is going to be my house too. And you know, I like it. Yes. So he's kind of explaining his ideas for the house. Ali says it needs to be painted white with blue shutters and then discusses porch that

[00:55:35] wraps around the whole yes, so that she can drink tea and look at the water. Yes. So they're just going back and forth. She notices an old piano. She sits down, starts playing the piano. There's more making out. And then she's like, make love to me, Noah.

[00:55:54] It's very pink me like your French mom. I did a lot about Titanic when I was watching this movie. Really? Yeah. I just feel like the storyline is, you know, you get the rich girl, you get the poor guy, they fall in love.

[00:56:13] They shouldn't, you know, it was like same storyline. If I had gotten Rose's spunky spirit in Ali, then I maybe would have liked this movie better. But wait, okay. So time out. What about Rose? I mean, she was a little bit more. Yeah. Okay. Get spunky.

[00:56:40] She was a lead. I mean, in the beginning she was very rude to Jack, but eventually she does. I do think so. Was it her? Yeah. You do get to see, I think more of Rose's character. Yeah. Yeah. She went and got that ax for her man.

[00:56:56] She was like doing things. She was helping people on the ship, like as much as she could. She was spitting in Billy Zane's face. She was doing things. Yeah. She was, pay me like your French women. She didn't want the necklace.

[00:57:15] Ali was giving privileged white girl the whole movie and then giving. I mean, she's giving kept queen is what I got. And then a lot of rich white woman tears when he was like, bitch, what the fuck do you want?

[00:57:30] Now is the most awkward undressing scene, maybe of all time. Question mark. Oh. So he lays a blanket on the floor. They stand on opposite sides of the blanket and it's like, Hey, I'm going to take my pants off. Okay. I'm going to take my bra off.

[00:57:51] Like they just take turns taking articles of clothing off until they're both naked. Just staring at each other. They were teenagers. They never did that before. But like, why so far? Why not come to the middle of the blanket and just undress each other?

[00:58:05] Or it was like fucking show and tell. Is this a health class? What's happening right now? You don't tell me what y'all first time was like. How about we talk about that? Okay. I was on a twin bed. No, let me sum up.

[00:58:20] It wasn't like, come on, you don't have to be a twin bed. You don't have to be a twin bed. It wasn't like, come on, you don't stand across from each other. And it was just a little awkward.

[00:58:32] He had some little drama, you know, to try to like reinforce the fact that they don't know what they're doing. Yeah. I don't believe for a second that Noah didn't know what he was doing. He had no one. No, no one knew what he was doing.

[00:58:45] I just felt like this was a chance for him to be a little sexy. I think if he had like slowly taken her clothes off, kissed her here and there, it would have made her less giggly.

[00:58:57] And in her head, she had so much time to think because of this health class. All right. The doctor's coming in a minute, ma'am. I need you to de-robe and he'll be here in a second. That was the vibes they were giving.

[00:59:13] Well, especially because it started out very sexy. You hang up behind her while she was playing the piano, start kissing her neck, spun her around. All that was hot. And then you get this weird like, I don't know what I'm doing.

[00:59:29] And it's not even like fun strip poker way either. No. Like, yeah. You know, it's just like... But let's not forget, they're supposed to be 17 here. So would that be weird if it was like the hottest sex scene you've ever seen? And they're like minors. It's a movie.

[00:59:49] I mean, I get that. I'm just playing devil. Give me something. I'd like to see a little something from Ryan too. Apparently there was a longer... I don't know if it was this sex scene or when they were seven years later. I think it's the second sex scene.

[01:00:06] There was a longer cut that ended up being cut for the theatrical release because they wanted it to remain PG-13. So it was a long cut. I mean, I think that's just like, you know, it's a long cut from the movie.

[01:00:19] But it's a long cut from the movie. And it's a long cut from the movie. But I think that's the thing. Question. Do they actually do the deed? I got very confused in this scene. Not the first time. Okay. Not the first time.

[01:00:31] Because she does say that's what I've been missing all the time. That's what I've been missing. Yeah. But... I feel like it was just a tip. Because like, we were close. Not just a tip could be you. I was so nervous and immature.

[01:00:51] Like her asking a bunch of questions and like, what are you thinking? And all that stuff. I may have done some of those things. Allegedly. Allegedly. At least I just froze up. I didn't know what to do. So they're trying to get it in, literally.

[01:01:12] And then Finn comes running in saying, yo, it's like two o'clock in the morning. Allie's parents are looking for you. They have Popo looking for you. Y'all in trouble. So they like quickly hurry up and head out to get back to Allie's house.

[01:01:31] And then Finn comes running in and says, head out to get back to Allie's house. And this is when Allie's mom is just like giving Allie the business. This is the first time you kind of see the dad be a little stern

[01:01:45] because Noah's like, this is not her fault. And he's just like, have a seat, you know? And the mom's like, he's trash. He's trash. And I was like, wow, this is fucked up. Like the man could hear you. And after a while, Noah's like,

[01:01:59] I'm not gonna sit here and listen to these people talk shit about me. Allie pretty much tells her mom to go fuck herself and that she's in love with Noah. They're gonna be together. And that, you know, what the fuck do you guys know? You married adults.

[01:02:13] You don't know nothing about love. You don't even laugh. You don't touch. You don't do anything. And she's like, but that was kind of real though. Yeah, it was. She really called out her parents. I was like, God damn, God damn Allie.

[01:02:24] And then Noah has left at this point. He's taken his dignity out the door and she like runs up to him and trying to like say, fuck them, we'll be together. And he's like, he's just putting things together. Like this is really hard.

[01:02:38] She's going to be going to New York to go to college. Her parents, like there's too many hurdles. And I think his pride and his feelings are hurt. But also I think he's trying to do what's best for Allie

[01:02:50] because I think he just thinks she deserves the world and he doesn't think that he measures up, you know? And but they fight all the fucking time. So he thinks, you know, they both leave this situation thinking that it's a fight. She does break up with him.

[01:03:06] She like, they're both firecrackers. I don't know what their zodiac signs are. I think that was a scene I related to the most. When she's like pushing him, hitting him, fighting with him. And then she's like, you know, just leave or whatever it is that she says.

[01:03:19] And then she's like, where are you going? Don't leave. I was like, we're not really breaking up. You just said we're breaking up then. Like, it was a lot. I was like, I can't relate to these people are nuts, but all right.

[01:03:38] But I like that they were evenly nuts together. So one thing that I thought when I was watching this back from an adult perspective was like how Allie was like, you don't even know, like I know about love, right?

[01:03:52] Like you don't look at, just like you were saying, you don't look at daddy the way that I look at Noah, right? And I was like, you know, when we're that age, we're often told that we don't know what love is.

[01:04:02] But I feel like it's the opposite because I feel like my earlier relationships were truly unconditional. Now they weren't always practical, right? Like if I were to be an adult with those people, my adult life would look very, very different. But from like a true unconditional love standpoint,

[01:04:22] oh, it was so pure. And I feel like now, you know, in looking for a partner, I'm looking with a different set of eyes. It's like, okay, you're going to make a good, are you going to make a good, not only a good husband,

[01:04:35] but a good life partner, you're responsible. Or it's like way more practical qualities versus this, just like uninhibited, unconditional. Well, also had, like, if you think about where you started from where you are now, you, you had less fear, right?

[01:04:54] First of all, your first love, you never had your heart broken. So you don't know that you need to maybe tread lightly. You don't have that. You're just literally jumping off a cliff and you don't think about anything.

[01:05:05] And it does feel, it does resonate with you so much more because it's unfiltered. The moment your heart breaks and that heartbreak is the one that sits with you forever because Lord Jesus. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. I agree.

[01:05:25] Like, and we see that with Ali's mom later on when she kind of finally gives insight to Ali, like this, I, I, I know what you went through because this is the same situation that happened to me. And I made a practical choice.

[01:05:42] And we also do have to take a step back and look at the timeframe. You know, women have way more freedom financially now than we did ever. And you know, you did have to choose your partner very carefully

[01:06:00] because you did not have the capabilities to like go out there and get a job and make a living for yourself or do, you know, buy a house by yourself, have a credit card, all that stuff. Yeah. That's true.

[01:06:11] Ali was very lucky that she was even able to go to college at that point in time. You know, so I don't really think about it that way. Like it really did change the trajectory of your life depending on which decision. Yeah. Like which way you went.

[01:06:28] And I think when I first watched this movie, I thought Ali's mom was the villain a hundred percent. And then rewatching it this time around, I kind of had more of a softness for her because did she go about everything in the right way?

[01:06:42] No, but she really was trying to protect Ali. It wasn't about just like, I want you to do this for me, but she was thinking long run what's going to be the best for Ali so that she can have some security.

[01:07:00] I know this is jumping ahead just a little bit, but since we're talking about her mom, do you think because in watching it back, I was like kind of confused as to which way she would have gone if she could have done it over again.

[01:07:10] But do you think that she thought she made the wrong decision? Like to me, it wasn't super clear. I think that she was just like, you know, I think she has regrets.

[01:07:24] Like I think she, just like we were just talking about your first love, like that love, you could tell that she, it pains her, but Jackie, you all watching, what did you say? I didn't say Ken did it. It did. Ken goes, she's lying to her.

[01:07:42] She's taking it. The mom is taking her to the lumberyard pointing out some dude and making up the story to gain favor. What? So yeah, she, so we're watching this and he's like, I was like, that's Dan Scott from Wilfrid Hill. Was he kidding?

[01:08:01] Was he just like, really? Yeah. Yeah. It had me questioning. I'm like, oh my God, did she just fake it? They looked at each other. They had that moment.

[01:08:12] I think he was just, I mean, like if you watch it from that lens, it's very easy to be like, oh, he kind of just looks over at two women in a car. Like, like it could very well possibly be interesting.

[01:08:29] And Ken was like, her mom is gaslighting her to make the right decision in her mom's opinion. I like the guy didn't end up to be much anyway. Like, yeah, no problem.

[01:08:41] I would have agreed, but I, and like your question makes me rethink things because the fact that she gives Allie the letters, she should, she didn't have to do that at all. Like she came and brought the letters and said, I just want you to be happy.

[01:09:00] And I hope you make the right decision. She does tell her like both sides. She's, she, you know, she's like, I stopped here. I look at this man. It was, you know, I couldn't be with him and, and look, your father, I have a good life.

[01:09:14] I love your father, but I think she did tell the truth. You know, but my heart clearly is with that man throwing the lumber over there. Dan Scott from one tree hill is my boo. Thank you.

[01:09:27] I thought it left a lot for interpretation because the way, just the way the conversation went, she's like crying about this guy. And then she's like, but I just, I love your father so much. You know that I do. I love your father.

[01:09:37] And then it kind of like left it there. I would have liked them to like tighten that up just for my own personal, you know, I don't, I don't like to leave up for interpretation and kind of, you know, just tell me what it is.

[01:09:48] It's supposed to be that one. I was like, I'm not quite sure if she would have done the same thing over again, but I think it could also be looked at here. I go with the conspiracy theories. I love a good conspiracy theory though.

[01:10:05] The mom knew that like, she didn't want to damage her relationship with Allie any further. So one could argue that she went and told this story about this man just so to get Allie to sympathize with her.

[01:10:24] But she knew she had to cut, like, obviously she had to come clean about the letters because no one told her about them and stuff. Right. And the mom wanted it to be like, I'm going to leave the decision up to you, but was hoping

[01:10:39] that story kind of pushed her in the right direction. Yeah. And that goes back to my question of like, I don't know what, cause Allie's mom was like, I hope you make the right decision, but I'm not clear on what decision her mom thought was right.

[01:10:58] I think once her, okay. She might've thought Noah was nothing, but I think when she saw that house and that he built it and that like, he actually pulled himself out from poverty, essentially. He might've been like, okay.

[01:11:14] I think her giving the letters might've been like, I'm going to be fine with whatever you decide, which I think is a win either way. Any decision that Allie made is the right decision, essentially. Yeah.

[01:11:28] Her mom made decisions based on fear and Allie did not in the end. Her mom wanted the security and Allie took a leap of faith. And I think that's awesome. Oh, they also say, I love you in that scene where they're. Right.

[01:11:45] That was the lubricant needed to slide the tip all the way in, but we didn't get there. So they're broken up. Works for me. They're broken up. Noah leaves. And then the next morning we see Allie wake up and they are packing their shit. Mama ain't playing.

[01:12:01] They are leaving a week early. Yeah. And so she rides as fast as she can her little bike to the lumber yard and she's like, where is Noah? I need to talk to him. And Finn's like, no, like it's over. Like. I was up all night. Yeah.

[01:12:22] Like, just let it go. And she's like, just please, please, please tell him I love him. And Finn's like, if he wants to get in contact you, he will write. I think Finn is more of a realist.

[01:12:35] Like, obviously he's seen this happen before people from out of town come to their summer homes. He knows what's up. Like he's probably sliding through ladies every summer. He's got a new thing and he doesn't think it's a big deal.

[01:12:49] But like, I think, I don't think he realized how much Noah and Allie, this wasn't just like a summer fling for them. And he's trying to protect his bro. I was going to say, it just seems like because as soon as Noah found out that Allie was there,

[01:13:04] he had right into his truck and went right over to her house. He did. Yeah. I do have to, I did talk smack about Kevin Conley the whole damn movie because. Why? I just, something about him. I don't understand.

[01:13:19] There's, I don't find him to be, I am like, how does he keep getting these roles? I don't know if it's like, who does he know besides Leonardo DiCaprio? He is in the Pussy Posse with Leonardo DiCaprio. He's one of his bros.

[01:13:34] But I just was like, we could have gotten someone else in this role. I don't know. I was fine with him as the friend. Yeah. Like it would have been a whole another thing if he was like the Noah of the situation. In what world? Yeah.

[01:13:56] I'm just being a hater and I may regret this later if we ever get Kevin Conley to be on the show. My bad. My bad. So. So Noah tries to catch Allie. Yeah. Noah tries to catch Allie. He hits the gate, which was a mistake.

[01:14:15] He wasn't supposed to hit the gate and he like, fucked it up. And like, they could, they're like, Allie, we got the shot and it's a good thing because you fucked up the gate. I. Hit it with this truck? Yes.

[01:14:29] When we were watching it, we were like, what the fuck? Like, what is that? We're like, he was. I know when Allie ran into the gate when she came back and she ran into his gate after she visited the house, but I don't.

[01:14:42] It's like they had a big rod or iron gate around the house and that's what he hit. On accident. That's funny. I love hearing about those. And then we see kind of a montage of Noah writing to Allie, mom checks the mail, gets the letter.

[01:15:05] We know it's not going to get to Allie and there's more voiceover. He wrote one letter a day for a year. They all went unanswered. And after a year, he wrote a farewell letter to get on with his life. He and Finn moved to Atlanta.

[01:15:20] And then they are drafted into World War II. Thumbs the brakes, man. And we see them on the front lines of World War II. Finn gets shot and killed. So obviously Noah is dealing with a lot when he is discharged from the army and comes back home.

[01:15:42] Allie is in her third year of law school. Law school. I don't know where I made that up. I was just going to say, I didn't know that she was in law school. She was in husband's school. Now she was in all girls schools. So yeah.

[01:15:56] So Allie is in third year of college and volunteered to be a nurse's aide for the soldiers coming back from war. We meet this soldier that is completely head to toe in a cast. She's helping him sit up. And he's just like, let's go on a date.

[01:16:15] She's like, yeah, okay. I feel like if the math is right, they must have dated for at least four or five years before they were getting to the point where they're going to get married. Because when she sees Noah later, she says it's been seven years. Yeah.

[01:16:33] So she was about to go into college. So if she meets this guy, her third year. But how long was it before she started dating him? Because he was completely healed the next time she sees him. That's true.

[01:16:47] So maybe they only date for a year, a year and a half. Yeah. Before they started dating. But he was fine at that standing at that point. Yes, he was. And they, you know, they had to make sure that they did a good job of casting

[01:17:02] James Mars because you to compete with Ryan Gosling. Oh, yeah. Which is interesting because the director said that he wanted to hire an unknown and someone who was not attractive. And that's why he hired Ryan Gosling. And I'm like, sir, do you have eyes?

[01:17:23] No, not for nothing, though. Ryan Gosling is attractive because of his like. Yes. And all the energy that he gives in the movies that he's in because he like, OK, let's take a look at this picture right behind you. I don't see a problem.

[01:17:45] I mean, but that's because, you know how he is. I was like, it wouldn't be my type. It's hard for me because nine year old Danielle was in love with Ryan Gosling. Really? Because that's when I saw him was Mickey Mouse Club.

[01:18:01] I had to choose from all the Mickey Mouse clubbers and I was like, that's him. You didn't go J.C. Chazet? Oh, no, I for sure was in love with J.C. But, you know, he is not my favorite Ryan. I will say that. You like Reynolds better?

[01:18:23] I do. I have always been a Reynolds since 15 on Nickelodeon. Like. Ryan Reynolds has been it for me. I think Ryan Reynolds is more attractive if I'm just looking at side by side photos, but the characters and the roles that Ryan Reynolds plays is the same every time.

[01:18:45] To me, I think Ryan Gosling's roles are way more attractive. Like I really started liking him in Crazy, Stupid Love. Yeah, he. I mean, BDE and that was like. It gave what it was supposed to give and I loved it.

[01:19:02] But I'm not a huge fan of like Ryan Reynolds roles. I don't know. I like his humor. So like he can be serving up the same thing every time. Jackie said she likes consistency.

[01:19:18] Give me a Deadpool every year for the rest of my life and I'll be a happy camper. Even with a fucked up face. And Deadpool, yeah he does. Yeah, so. Let's see. So yes, she is still in college.

[01:19:36] So it must have been the end of her senior year when she sees this handsome gentleman standing leaning up against a car and asks her on a date. And it is James Marsden from the hospital.

[01:19:52] And this is his first Nicholas Sparks movie out of two because he's also in The Best of Me. And they too do a weird casting situation with the younger version of his character not looking a damn thing like him. So this must be like a Nicholas Spark thing,

[01:20:11] Sparks thing and got a lot of hate from doing this movie as well. Sorry. From doing Notebook? Yeah, yeah. To this day, he says people come up to him still mad that he was preventing Ali and Noah from being together. Whatever. But he didn't. He let her decide.

[01:20:34] Yeah. I don't know what to tell you. People are crazy. Crazy stupid love for Ali and Noah. And they ended up together. Like. I don't. Anyways. They're not right in the head. So then we see Lan and Ali dating. He comes from old Southern money.

[01:20:57] You see them like she genuinely has a good time with him and has fallen in love with him. They're at a jazz club and they have this whole weird marriage discussion. Yeah. He acknowledges that Ali wants to rebel.

[01:21:17] Like he knows that Ali is constantly fighting with her parents and he kind of plays about that. It's also to be noted that when you say he comes from old money, his family owns cotton. Yeah.

[01:21:32] Just leave that out there for everybody to make their own choices about that. So he does propose in this scene. Mama is so excited. She's like happily dancing with daddy, which I don't even think she likes daddy much. Most of the time. So he said she loved Jackie.

[01:21:52] She said she loved him the way that Ali keeps saying that she loves Lan. I think she really does love Lan. She doesn't know. She doesn't think Noah is an option. And so I think she starts to want to go.

[01:22:09] I would believe it more if she didn't say it so much. It was like she was trying to convince herself. Yeah, it's true. A lot of the time. So that makes sense though.

[01:22:21] I think she was like, even when he proposed and it was like, you know, Noah's face popped in her head. It's like it. Yeah. I think she wanted to love Lan because he was like the perfect person on paper.

[01:22:37] But her heart was just like, no, like it just wasn't connecting. So I think she was trying to convince herself for sure. Wouldn't take me much. We do see Noah arriving back from war to his childhood home.

[01:22:56] Dad has sold the house, gives Noah all of the money and has already set up the deal for Noah to purchase the Windsor plantation. His dream home. Plus Noah had the, he was afforded the option to use the GI Bill that not every soldier

[01:23:17] had the opportunity to use. Right. American history. Yeah. What was that? The GI Bill was something that was offered to kind of make it a little bit easier to purchase homes for all of the war vets that came back.

[01:23:40] Essentially like, you know, money and different opportunities and not, not everybody was able to get that. Know what I mean? So he took a look at the house and he only saw one thing, Allie, that was via voiceover.

[01:23:59] So Noah has to go into Charleston to get his final house plans approved while he's on the bus. He sees Allie walking down the street. He jumps out of a moving vehicle to go see her.

[01:24:11] And then he sees her, he is full on just staring into a restaurant as Allie meets Lon for lunch and they're like kissing and stuff. And it. Yeah. It's a knife to the gut. You gotta kill her.

[01:24:32] And so then he becomes a self-proclaimed man obsessed because he keeps thinking if he restores the house Allie, we can come back to him. He's not wrong. I think that was a great play.

[01:24:45] In the process of building the house, not the process, but like in the timeframe of Noah rebuilding the house, his father passes away. And so now the house is all he has. Like he, he doesn't have anything else to kind of fill his days.

[01:25:01] And then I wrote beardy because then he gets to be looking like behind Danielle. And then when it's finally done, it's the white house with blue shutters, just as Allie had asked.

[01:25:12] He has a photographer come and I guess he's written up in the paper because this is, I'm assuming like a historical house in the area that he's put a lot of hard work into restoring.

[01:25:24] He puts it up for sale, but then like scares off any person that attempts to buy it. Yeah. They make a mention that he was even feeling like he would burn it, which I think they

[01:25:37] added that in because Ryan Gosling said that he wanted to actually have Noah burn the house down. Interesting take. I think it's because then where would. Right. They did not agree. Bone. Yeah. Like where would the rest of the movie take place? But okay. I just say the.

[01:26:05] Feel not really sure where it just. Where he's going with that. Yeah. But he, we were talking about like that he goes method in his movies, Ryan Gosling. So I think he just very much was feeling Noah's angst and whatnot.

[01:26:25] And he was going mad so I could see him burning it down. It just didn't seem very practical to where the movie was going. So thank God they didn't do that. So the next scene is. Ali trying on her wedding dress.

[01:26:43] They show her the writeup of her engagement and upcoming wedding in the paper, how it's going to be the. The talk of the town and everyone's going to be there and she flips the newspaper over

[01:26:57] and it's the picture behind Danielle of Noah standing in front of the Windsor plantation and she. Bates so hard. Ain't that some shit ladies every time your life is going well. Here comes that motherfucker that you were every single time. Every time it's guaranteed.

[01:27:22] It's the only way I know that my life is going the right trajectory. The minute my inbox is flooded by ex-boyfriends, I know I'm taking the Lord's path. I love the scene after this where she just has the article and like a glass of some sort

[01:27:42] of liquor and she's in the bathtub wearing her veil, just contemplating her life choices. That dress was beautiful though. It was like it was gorgeous. I do have to give it to all white money. They do have beautiful things. She shows up at lawns work.

[01:28:05] And proclaims I don't paint anymore and he's like I'll buy you. Is that what you want? Why are you here? I'll get you that color by numbers. No problemo. Exactly. And then she's like I gotta go out of town.

[01:28:21] I gotta go to Seabrook and clear my head and he was like are you okay? Like are we okay? Like lawn knows something is not quite right. Right.

[01:28:34] But he trusts her and so he's like okay if you need to go away for the weekend, go away for the weekend. Don't move. He does ask should I be worried? Yes. Yes, you should Lott. I would say that Jason Marsden is Mr. Lose Your Girl.

[01:28:55] He loses Allie in this movie. Essentially he kept playing back and forth with Jean Grey in the X-Men movies. Enchanted he loses. I mean he gains a different girl but he loses his girl.

[01:29:10] I feel like he's been in multiple movies where he is not the one the girl picks and I just I don't understand it. I mean he gets the girl in 27 dresses so it's fine. Barely. The way she mistreated him in that movie but yes you're right.

[01:29:30] I do really like that movie. I think he's like this perfect like prince charming I don't know like it's so cliche for every girl to like want to choose him. So he's like such an easy like person to put in the roles of like girls that are like

[01:29:46] I'm gonna go this way to the unassuming underdog. He feels relatable like he feels he's beautiful. He's a beautiful man and I think for a long time he said it kind of hindered his career

[01:29:58] a little bit because it was almost as if he was too handsome in a lot of ways. But he comes off as such like an everyman. Like yeah it's very unassuming in all of his roles. There isn't like a whole lot of arrogance or anything to him.

[01:30:15] And I think he had to do that on purpose because he was having so much pushback with you know they keep trying to service up these ugly men anyways so that people feel like relatable. Only men can feel relatable. So Allie shows up at the Windsor Plantation.

[01:30:32] She hits the fence. She has buyer's remorse essentially. She shows up she just starts babbling on like she Allie does and he just stares at her like I think he's so like he's lost it so much I don't even know if he knows she's real at this point.

[01:30:51] I feel like that's how it's definitely how it seemed. It's almost like every day this happens to him but it's never been real like she's a mirage at this point. Yeah and he's just he wasn't giving her anything so she's like okay sorry did I make a mistake

[01:31:05] like I can't read you do you want me to leave? So I think she reacted normally appropriately. Yes and then eventually he's like do you just want to come inside? She's like oh okay.

[01:31:19] Then we flash to the present and older Allie is like it's a good story I want to hear more type thing. The doctor needs to see Duke. He's had two heart attacks in the past 18 months and so the doctor's checking him out

[01:31:37] and the doctor's like I don't know why you come here every day like it's she has a degenerative disease like she's eventually not going to remember anything and he's like but sometimes

[01:31:48] she does and then they hear her playing the piano he's like I forgot to turn the page for her and he's like oh the doctor's like oh well it sounds like she got it and he's like no she's playing that from memory.

[01:32:00] So kind of calling the doctor on some of his negative attitudes towards doing this repetitiously to jog her memories. I just feel like they should have gotten way more respect than they did because clearly

[01:32:17] the house that is their nursing home is the house that he built so much so yeah it is the same. Wait a second that's the house with the shutters? Yes it is. It is the same house.

[01:32:36] As many times as I've seen that movie I never caught on to that. I was like is that the it was the first time I was like oh wow but that the brick in the

[01:32:46] front of the house I believe Noah once he found out his wife had this disease I believe that he turned the house into a nursing home facility so that Allie would be in a place that she could remember. Yeah right.

[01:33:04] He might have had a different house where the family actually lived after that because after that because we don't know what age Allie was. Go ahead. Because now that I'm thinking about it because the same nurse that's that's taking care of

[01:33:20] them throughout the whole movie was the same ones that found them at the end but they were in like a hospital. Yeah he made I think he made it into a legit thing there's other people there he knew she

[01:33:31] needed care but like I don't know if he donated it or what but that is the same house. Wow. It's the same lake, the birds, all of it. Wow and I could I mean I could I did notice the like the wide shot that they did of the

[01:33:48] house like every time they kind of like transitioned back and forth between past and present day but I just never put those two together. Damn that's a good one. So now we're back to young Allie and Noah they're talking about their lives Allie's

[01:34:07] telling him about Lou we come to find out later he obviously tells her about the widow that he's been banging. Are we ready to talk about it? Let's talk about Martha. Every time I liked Martha. I'm thankful for Martha.

[01:34:28] Yeah no I don't got like Martha was very disrespected let's be honest. So we did talk about it when we were watching the movie that like I do feel for Martha the disrespect was out of control but she is a widow and I think.

[01:34:48] Hold on timeout timeout why did you feel like she was so disrespected? I think just the way Noah treated her wasn't great like if you can't be with the love of your life and you're going to let he's like I have nothing to give then you should not

[01:35:03] be fucking around with someone like but at the same time like he's being honest about like just because you're honest about being a jackass doesn't mean you're not a jackass and he was not like the girl kept trying like she didn't obviously she didn't accept

[01:35:22] that this was the situation that she was just a fault. Martha knew what she was getting. Partly partly but I think we could say that he could take some responsibility at the fact that in that state of mind he should not be fucking around with someone's feelings.

[01:35:39] I think he can be held accountable that yes he was honest but he was still playing house with this woman. I don't know to me when I watched it I just felt like they were trying to really drive

[01:35:53] home the point of like what I one of the notes that I had made was like a woman always knows when a man is not there right like a man's heart is somewhere else and I feel like that's

[01:36:03] what they were trying to show because they're laying in bed and she's like I know like I can tell when you're not looking at me. She got it and she was she had moments of sadness and I think a lot of us could relate

[01:36:15] to one thing I said like with Ken and Jackie I was saying to them like Ken and I were talking and I was like I guess this is depression love she's obviously still grieving her husband

[01:36:27] being dead and he is like Ali's not dead but he's grieving the loss of his love and so they connected on that and this woman is literally trying to grasp at anything and anybody who's

[01:36:41] grieving knows that you're not always in the right mindset to do what's best for you. Yeah so even though Ali left him I just felt like maybe he could have been a little bit

[01:36:54] more empathetic to the fact that this is you just came from the war she is a widow of the war like she's not right in the head to be making decisions about who she should and

[01:37:08] shouldn't be sleeping with you know what I mean like I think he was in a better place than she was so it made me a little annoyed and that's just my opinion that's fine I mean

[01:37:16] everyone makes decisions but I think from a power standpoint I think he had a little bit more than she did and oh of course when when she comes over and Ali is in the house cooking and

[01:37:33] invites her in like I've literally almost been living here for a year more than a year whatever and now you're inviting me over? They didn't live together but she's always there it's just like he would go to her house.

[01:37:53] I don't she's at his house I think I thought she was at his house I think I thought she was at they were at her house because the kitchen was right off the bedroom

[01:38:05] people go back and forth but she was at his house like clearly it was their routine when she shows up he didn't invite her so they'd probably go back and forth but it just

[01:38:16] it's such a it's such a weird thing like that was a weird yeah I agree I mean it didn't snap the thing that Martha needed to snap out of it good going to the next progression of her grieving process agreed yeah I just feel like poor Martha

[01:38:37] poor Martha and or what's the guy that gets jilted what's his name again Don Long yeah why do you think from from Ali's standpoint that she was so willing to let Martha come in and just

[01:38:54] be like oh let's hang out for the day like she had just gone back to Noah and just slept together privilege Ali knows that that's her dick you can see Ali looking outside the window kind of side eye in it but she played it like a southern

[01:39:15] bell would play it which is to kill him with kindness kind of situation but she know that her name is tattooed on that man's dick there's no problems so let's well played let's catch up to the scene so after they chat for a while Ali goes back to

[01:39:38] her hotel Lon has been calling all night she's like I'm fine I'm back at the hotel Noah does tell her come back tomorrow I have something I want to show you and so she goes back the next day

[01:39:50] they go out on the rowboat and the scene that has given me more anxiety than probably any other scene in recent past so he rose into like this little alcove and it's just nothing but birds

[01:40:11] yes Danielle said it was beautiful I thought so too I mean I understand why you would like if I saw an alcove armadillos I would have but it wouldn't be as romantic either but I get where

[01:40:27] she's coming from like she doesn't like the birds the birds are a little scary for her so I get it there were so many there were so many and so like one of the things we mentioned when we were

[01:40:38] watching the movie was like how the hell did they get these birds here like this is a lot of birds so apparently the director wanted the birds in the scene and the producers at New Line were like

[01:40:54] yeah we're not getting them birds it's gonna be hard to make that possible and for them to stay on the lake so the director said I got time today so him and the production team actually

[01:41:07] bought hatchlings and raised them beside the lake so when it came time to film they would feel comfortable at the lake and they would stay could you imagine oh he did have time he did

[01:41:22] wow I mean it added to it like do you think the scene would have been the same had they not had all them damn birds I mean I wouldn't have known what I was missing but yeah no it added it added

[01:41:36] to it was beautiful just the trees everything was gorgeous and and then the thunder rolls and then the torrential rain that was awful yeah Ken was like how did they get the rain to rain so hard

[01:41:55] it's a rain machine and he goes but that's a lot of water for a rain machine like his brain could not process he couldn't process it the amount of rain in that scene bad but between the rain and then the sudden laughter

[01:42:12] I could have done without that yes without that whole part that was like the only scene in the movie where I was like kind of uncomfortable it was just like I think laughter was like them

[01:42:23] finally breaking because the two of them had been pretending from the day before like they were fine you know and so the rain happening and him just like saying oh was kind of them being

[01:42:37] Allie and Noah again not these like odd people that they were pretending to be and the rain helped the you know them say well what the fuck like where have you been Allie's like nah man where were you

[01:42:51] he's like I've been waiting bitch I've been writing I wrote you every day god damn it I never quitted you bitch still not over it's never over whatever this I don't know the verbiage but

[01:43:07] yeah he's very passionate about bitch you mine your name's on my dick I love it so yes they start making out on the dock that's the run and jump into his arm scene

[01:43:21] yeah that gets everyone all fired up and he's wearing a white shirt just like Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice getting all wet it's it's my thing I like it it's my soft porn they go up to the bedroom they bone she realizes what she's been missing

[01:43:40] so I have a question did she have sex with Yvonne okay but how do you know I believe they had sex I think I do too but I just believe that it was

[01:43:58] he wasn't throwing what Noah was throwing down and I believe her name is on lawn stick as well but it's just not the same so now we're caught up Martha arrives they have a lovely

[01:44:14] meal the three of them apparently Martha does say some really sweet things to Noah and she she's like I know like this is who you've been waiting for type thing and then she's like

[01:44:28] I know like this is who you've been waiting for type thing and yeah she sees the good qualities in Allie she she says she's sensational is how she describes Allie is this a part

[01:44:48] okay there was a part where maybe it was Allie is wrapped up in that blanket and Danielle proclaims that she's wrapped up in that blanket and Danielle proclaims that she's wrapped up in that blanket

[01:45:04] and then she's like I don't know if it was her who's wrapped in it or when he was right he was wrapped in it but like I do want to go back to the love scene for a second because I said this on an

[01:45:17] earlier episode one of our episodes where I said that in a lot of white movies when they go to the black movies when they have love scenes but I very much appreciated that they slowed it down

[01:45:30] and really made it slow love making him they weren't out of fucking breath trying to like nothing kills me more than you just sliding it in no you didn't tweak and turn a few things to get

[01:45:47] her revved up like I just feel the pain of that every time I watch a movie so I like that Noah took his time and really did some foreplay maybe that's what it is I appreciate a little foreplay

[01:46:00] and I don't like certain sounds so heavy breathing's not for me either so A plus on the sex scenes it's me just we need to redo like yeah like they have the movie poster and then like the ratings

[01:46:20] or critics reviews Danielle just like A plus on the sex scene A plus on the foreplay. Allie wakes up the next morning so she stays in there there are flowers on the pillow and then there's a note to follow the arrows and the arrows take her

[01:46:41] to a painting studio that he has built for her which we all said that this studio was there way before Allie even came to the house. It's like field of dreams if you build it they will come

[01:46:57] that's what Noah did 100% yeah she came a lot in this movie oh I like that and then she decides to take her art outside and so she's literally just wrapped loosely in a blanket and just

[01:47:13] painting in the nude on her wraparound maybe this is where I said you know that blanket smells like sex there is a knock on the door and it's mom and she's still only in her blanket yeah and mom's like

[01:47:30] lawns on the way he's been calling the hotel all night couldn't get a hold of you like he knows and your dad let it slip about Noah like what's going down in pound town yeah so she's like well

[01:47:44] tell me about the letters mother and so mom's like I just thought it was best and she's like you let me cry myself to sleep for months knowing that he was actually writing and you let me think

[01:47:59] that he didn't care and didn't try to contact me this is when they take a drive to the lumberyard maybe mom knew this random lumber man maybe not the scene we were talking about earlier

[01:48:12] what dance got from one tree hill and then she brings her back leaves her at the house gives her the letters tells her she hopes she makes the right choices and at this point Noah is back and

[01:48:25] he's like this is weird because you know the mom's there he he's kind of figuring something's going down and this is when Ali's like look lawn is here and I you know I made a commitment to someone and

[01:48:40] I've got to go talk to him and but she doesn't make it clear that she's gonna stay like go break things off and stay with Noah she's like very confused all of a sudden she's been being

[01:48:54] dicked down for three days straight and now all of a sudden she's being confused about what to do to you. So yes, they get in an argument Ali leaves to go back to lawn and oh right before Ali leaves

[01:49:15] while they're arguing Noah does kind of what Ali did in the beginning where he's just yelling all of this stuff to hurt her feelings like leave I hate you and he's like no I want you to stay

[01:49:25] and he said like yeah we argue a lot you put me in my place because I'm an arrogant son of a bitch and you're a pain in the ass and so it's like we we balance each other out essentially

[01:49:38] picture your life for me is it with him and then we get the line what do you want which is improv by Ryan Gosling so well done sir. Yeah I would have loved to know what that was supposed to be

[01:49:52] if that was improv. Yeah same. And then she just keeps saying it's not that simple I have to go she's driving down the road with her eyes closed never a great plan and then she opens her eyes

[01:50:08] and she almost has a head-on collision with a truck she pulls over to the side and then we flash back to the present there's a candlelight dinner set up for two for the older Duke and Ali

[01:50:24] they're looking out the window she's looking at the sunset and she's like never I've never seen something so beautiful and he's looking at her and he says neither do I. I did think that was

[01:50:34] a very sweet line and then as he's telling more of the story she actually remembers him for a couple of minutes he says it's never lasted more than five minutes when your memory comes back but it's

[01:50:48] the old Ali they they start dancing but then her memory fades again and then she's very scared very panicked the nurses have to come in and sedate her he's very upset and we also find out

[01:51:01] that she actually wrote the story of their love story and gave it to him as her memory was supposed was starting to fade and the note inside says read this to me and I'll come back to you. I can't.

[01:51:17] That's the part that gets me every time. Every time and at the end of this movie I looked at Jackie and I said I hope I die first because I can't. Same. So then we flash back and she goes

[01:51:32] to talk to Lon and Lon's like really I have three options. I can shoot him, I can kick the crap out of him or I can leave you but none of those options get me you and so he's like you need to do what's

[01:51:48] gonna make you happy. But we never really quite see her saying I'm going to be with Noah but you do feel you feel for him because like you know that she's she's gonna be with Noah but he loves

[01:52:01] her so much like he's not even angry with her. He just wishes it was him. Yeah. And then we see Allie's bitch ass roll up to his luggage. So you see them embrace and then you see the older version

[01:52:21] Allie has to be sedated and Noah ends up having another cardiac incident. He has a heart attack and he has to go to the hospital. One scene that we did miss was that at some point the kids hit

[01:52:34] their grown kids do come to see them and this is before we really quite know it's Noah and Allie so she thinks so she doesn't recognize her own children which is so heart-wrenching just seeing

[01:52:48] that and so they I think they have three children and two grandchildren. One of the children I think is actually named after I think Noah yeah and the kids are just like fuck mom come home. I know they

[01:53:01] don't mean it like that but like I think they just they've lost one parent and I feel like they just want to have the other parent while they have him and unfortunately it's just like he's the way he

[01:53:17] says like I can't leave my gal is just so beautiful ride or die to the fucking end man. Well see when I watched this back oh sorry Jackie when I watched this back I thought it was actually

[01:53:33] really obvious that it was Noah and Allie and I was questioning like are we supposed to know this early because it's like glaring to me. It is I think it's obvious but I think they were trying

[01:53:44] to play a cat a switcheroo on something yeah you know so yeah. Yes Noah has a cardiac event he's in the hospital he gets back to the nursing home he's like sneaking out of his room very obviously

[01:53:59] trying to get to Allie's room because he misses her and the nurse is like you know I can't let you go see miss Allie right now like it's and but but she's like but I'm going downstairs to get some

[01:54:12] coffee and I won't be back for a few minutes and so she leaves he notices she has a full cup of coffee on the desk he sneaks in he climbs in bed with her and Allie is lucid and so she's like

[01:54:26] I was afraid you would never come back. She asked if their love is strong enough to just like let them do anything to do anything or to let them go together yes our love could do

[01:54:40] anything. But I mean it's not unheard of that couples dying back to back like that. I agree it was just the whole I know like makes miracles it can take us away together. I mean it's beautiful how could you not feel something did you feel anything?

[01:55:08] I was sad old people died but that was it like I didn't you don't want you and Ken to just die together well yeah that's fine I just I don't think it's our love that's gonna kill us at the same time

[01:55:31] I know so he climbs in bed with her they say good night she's he says I'll be seeing you and then the nurse finds them together in the morning and they have both passed away in the night there's an investigation happening in that nursing home.

[01:55:53] She literally said that as the movie is ending just killing the vibe and we're like oh we were all crying I don't know if Ken was crying but I was crying we were all crying.

[01:56:05] I do think it's beautiful that the characters of Noah and Allie are actually based on real life people they're based on Nicholas Sparks I think it is his ex-wife's grandparents and they were

[01:56:21] actually sick when they got married so they kind of re-enacted their wedding or whatever for them which is super cute and then the closing scene is just a flock of birds at sunset so it's Allie

[01:56:37] and Noah I guess became birds like she wanted oh yeah you're right oh I didn't even think about it that way I just thought it was just the birds again. And it is the notebook. You did it. I didn't

[01:56:51] I wasn't that bad I could have been a lot worse yes but we want people to continue to listen to those podcasts so yeah but also you know I can't be swayed yeah no of course if I have an opinion

[01:57:05] it's gonna stay that I'm not easily influenced by others yes very hard-headed is what she just said extremely ask my mother. So this movie was mostly filmed in location in South Carolina and

[01:57:24] the production offices were set up in Charleston on the naval base in North Charleston. Ryan Gosling temporarily moved to Charleston prior to filming and during those two months he rode the river and he made furniture which you can tell by his physique when he is older.

[01:57:44] Yeah the one that I thought was interesting was that all of the scenes were filmed reversed so it's funny because watching it I was like you know they do look different the younger versions

[01:57:59] do look different from the older versions and I was wondering if there was some sort of like no they can do yeah like where they made them look younger I mean obviously he doesn't have facial

[01:58:08] hair but he lost 20 pounds shaved his face and then they filmed the scenes where they were younger so that would explain why he does look significantly younger in the beginning scenes but I thought that was interesting that they filmed them reverse. Yeah because like

[01:58:27] he looks so jacked it's crazy to think that like he looks so muscular and those are the scenes that they filmed first older Noah and then like he had the fact that he had to lose all that muscle weight

[01:58:39] was just kind of insane because yeah I don't want to say it's giving Captain America before he gets his juice kind of thing but there is a contrast between his physique in the beginning and then

[01:58:55] the end. Yeah. Peters said that when Rachel McAdams came in in red it was apparent that she was the one she and Ryan had great chemistry between them and then Rachel commented that she thought it would

[01:59:07] be a dream to be able to do it she wrote the script and went into addition just two days later it was a good way to do it because I was very full of the story. I like that in juxtaposition to the fact

[01:59:19] that she and Ryan Gosling did not get along during the filming of this movie and I know Kate is very adjacent to love yeah but yeah they could not stand each other and they tried to get each other

[01:59:32] off of the film multiple times. I was about to ask if they were actually dating off screen because they have such good chemistry. They did an app for the movie but it was recent that the director

[01:59:47] came out and talked about that nobody knew that before and that they dated or that they didn't like each other that they didn't like each other everyone who they dated afterwards but I had no

[01:59:58] idea yeah they dated afterwards but they did hate each other but I think it's also because Ryan Gosling the method actor and probably was very serious and Rachel was probably like dude

[02:00:15] stop yeah cameras are off like relax yeah there is a sequel to the novel it's called The Wedding was published in 2003 and it follows Jane Alley and Noah's daughter as she falls in love with a

[02:00:29] man named Wilson and Ryan Gosling was initially surprised by the fact that they wanted to hire him for the role he said I read the script and I thought he's crazy I couldn't be more wrong for

[02:00:43] this movie it gave me an opportunity to play a character over a period of time from 1940 to 1946 that was quite profound and formative and if you think about it besides Crazy Stupid Love Ryan Gosling's roles are kind of all over the place but he doesn't really tap into

[02:01:05] these like epic romances it was nice to see him in a romantic comedy like he I think he does well in it um I think the closest thing to this maybe might be La La Land but he's definitely more gritty

[02:01:18] and more dramatic and more dramatic in the way that he's told his story and the way that he's told his dramas that he's in and the notebook is the most successful Nicholas Sparks adaptation I'm not surprised it's the best one all right before we get into

[02:01:39] with two a's Lynn with two n's and you can check us out at no more late fees on instagram tiktok facebook twitter and youtube and now we're going to get into our ratings now Christina

[02:01:56] you're an adult now now that you re-watched the movie from would buy it would buy it again five day rental two day rental or same day rental what would your rating be I think my

[02:02:10] rating is going to stay the same five day rental I do revisit this movie once every like six months I would say so that's why I'm not going to give it it's not like a movie that I watch

[02:02:23] that often on repeat but definitely like one to two times a year that that's a lot to me Christina I mean it kind of is like there's other movies that I watch a little bit more frequently

[02:02:37] but yeah this is definitely one that I revisit when I want to like be in my feels actually on my own without I watched it like three months ago before re-watching it specifically for this so

[02:02:52] that's why I was like what movie would you like to do the notebook I was like oh yeah I was like crushing my mind yeah I'm not a huge movie buff so I don't watch you know not like you

[02:03:02] guys yeah I watch a ton but this is definitely up there on the movies on repeat I'm I'm gonna stay with my initial rating which was would buy it I thought after re-watching it that I was gonna have

[02:03:18] like a lot of critiques and I was surprised it still held up it's not bad I like it I enjoy it it's the same day rental yeah I no thanks okay I have to ask you though what romantic movies move you like name one that

[02:03:44] like does it for you every time or is it just not your thing because that's a fair answer too like yeah they're very I can't even think of one off the top of my head like I enjoy rom-coms but

[02:04:00] it's not the romance that typically gets me it's more the comedy yeah I can't even think okay so then it makes sense to why this is not your jam yeah because this is like romantic way there's

[02:04:17] like no comedy I would say very little comedic belief in here right yeah it's just melodramas are not my jam at all all right I get it now well if you want to argue that the notebook is good

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