Elektra

[00:00:00] Get ready for action, assassins, and a whole lot of red leather. This week we're diving into Elektra, the Jennifer Garner-led superhero spinoff that tried to give Marvel's deadly assassin her moment. Let's see if Elektra still holds up or is just another mid-2000s superhero misstep.

[00:00:20] Welcome to the No More Late Fees podcast. I'm Jackie. And I'm Danielle, and we're just two best friends and ex-blockbuster employees re-watching some of the best and worst movies from the late 90s and early 2000s.

[00:00:44] This week we're sharpening our sides and diving into Elektra, the 2005 spinoff that took Jennifer Garner's character from Daredevil and put her in the spotlight. But before we dive in, let's get into some... Housekeeping! If you love the podcast and you want to support us, here's a few ways you can. So if you love this podcast, don't forget to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen.

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[00:02:35] So, Danielle, what is Elektra about? Because I watched it, and I'm still confused. Let's see now. Look, let's establish some rules here, okay? This burn book is not gonna be used except for probably Lil Raj or any one of you bitches who fucks with Elektra today. Elektra follows the deadly assassin, Elektra Nachos, as she's brought back to life by mystical order.

[00:03:03] Hired for a new mission, she finds herself torn between duty and compassion when she's ordered to kill a father and daughter on the run. With supernatural enemies and a tragic past, Elektra must embrace her true power to protect them. The movie stars Jennifer Garner, Goran Viznik, Kirsten Prout, and Terrence Stamp. It was directed by Rob Bowman, written by Zach Penn, Stuart Zygerman, and Raven Metzner.

[00:03:30] And it was based on the comic book characters by Frank Miller. You can currently watch the movie on Max, Hulu, and Prime. But before we start, let's get into our ratings rewind. So you know the drill. Before we get into the movie, we'll reveal the rating our Y2K versions of ourselves would give. Then at the end, we'll see if our current selves agree with our initial rating. Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy it again. The best, would plan, repeat. Five-day rental.

[00:03:59] Would watch again. Two-day rental. Eh, okay, but nothing to write home about. And same-day rental. Garbage! Trash! Straight-up trash, throw it away. So, Andrew, we'll start with you. What is your Y2K rating of Elektra? So I think my Y2K rating of Elektra would have been trash. Straight-up trash.

[00:04:28] Because I never saw it back when it came out. Oh, that's an option, too. Never seen. Never seen. Well, to be fair, I didn't want to see it. But you've never seen it. That was the primary thing. Sam. I actively avoided. Five-day rental. My Y2K self was a five-day rental. I was starved for Marvel and DC content, live action. So I was so hyped for this movie. Danielle? I wasn't that starved. It was a whoop-bye, Jackie.

[00:04:58] It was a whoop-bye. I had two versions of the DVD. Yeah. Yeah. I was in, for context, if you guys are new to the show, I'm a diehard Jennifer Garner fan. It started with Felicity, continued to Alias, and then every other garbage thing she made after that, I was down for it. Ate it all up.

[00:05:25] And when Elektra came out, I was like, yes. Because you know a girl cried in the fucking theater with Daredevil and she died. I was very upset. But I know it was a part of her character's canon. Well, not only are you a diehard Jennifer Garner fan, you are a diehard comic book fan as well. Well, that too. When these two forces combined, Danielle was like- Captain Planet.

[00:05:55] Day less. Jackie? I've never seen this movie because Danielle was at college. Were you in New York by the time this came out in 2005? No, I still was in school. Okay. Yeah. So Danielle was in college, so I didn't have to go see this with her. Well, tell us about the box office. I just want you guys to know I left the theater after seeing this movie feeling satisfied.

[00:06:27] So what is about to come next? I'm shocked. I had no idea this was happening out in the real world while I was experiencing cinema. I'm going to preface, I am not going to try to throw any shade to Jennifer Garner, but I have questions about this movie. So just be prepared. It's not Jennifer Garner.

[00:06:56] It's the movie. The budget for this movie was $43 million. I think that was a significant amount of money to throw at this movie, especially after Daredevil. But okay. But my girl was worth it. Because you know what? It might not have done well with the critics, but it made its money back at least. At least. Not many people could say that. It made $56 million. I think it's what Sam said.

[00:07:25] Like people were just starved for comic book movies and they're like, okay, we'll just go see whatever they put out. And it's unfortunate because like there was a lot of things going against this movie and we'll talk about it. But it's unfortunate because you know that the studios want an excuse not to make women-led, especially action movies. So this was the first Marvel movie featuring a female lead.

[00:07:54] And it's funny that years later, we're still experiencing this nonsense because look how long it took them to make the Black Widow movie and the catastrophe fuck up that they set that up. And then what they did to the Marvels. It's just like every time. Yeah. Anywho, it opened January 14, 2005. It domestically grossed, like I said, 24.

[00:08:22] Well, it grossed $24 million at the time in its opening weekend. And it was the lowest for a film featuring a Marvel Comics character since Howard the Duck. All I'm seeing is that those were two misunderstood movies. Yeah. I loved Howard the Duck when I was little. I did too, except for that man. It scared the shit out of me. And now he's a pedophile.

[00:08:52] So. Which man? The bad guy in it. Oh, I gotta look at him. He's a pedophile? I'm pretty sure that's. Let me, let me fact check before I be putting this out in the universe. Alleged. You see it, you see it, man? Is it not going in there? Yeah. Continue and I will fact check myself. Well, let's see what Lil Raj had to say. Like I said, all February, me and this motherfucker are fighting.

[00:09:18] Lil Raj of the Chicago Sun-time gave this film 1.5 out of 4. And wrote, plays like a collision between leftover bits and pieces of a Marvel superhero story. It can't decide what tone to strike. Helen O'Hara at Empire Magazine gave the film 2 out of 5 stars and says, despite oozing star quality, Garner struggles to rise above the limitations of the script. Again, I heard, not her fault.

[00:09:49] Just saying. Film critic Scott Mendelsohn blamed the film for ruining Jennifer Garner's career and said it killed off the notion of a female lead superhero movie for a decade. Again, not her fault. I don't think it killed her career. I think what ended up happening, she started having kids and, you know, because she was like, I think in an interview, she was like, when did I become like the action girl?

[00:10:14] So I think she started to pivot because this fell and she's like, you know what? Alias ended. I'm going to try to do more indie acting roles. And then we got Butter. We got Juno. You know, she started being in some ensemble. I blame Ben Affleck. Yes. Ben Affleck is a killer of careers when he's with his ladies. He domesticated her. He's not untrue. Update.

[00:10:45] Yes. The bad guy in Howard the Duck is played by Jeffrey Jones, who is most important for Ferris Bueller. And he is a pet of mine. Yes. That's why he's not in Beetlejuice 2. Exactly. So I was. I was right. Yeah. Tragic. Well, before we jump into casting crew, let's hear a message from our pod pals. Hey, I'm Sam.

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[00:11:44] that this movie was not Jennifer Garner's fault. She did not want to film the movie, but she had to due to legal, legal contractual obligations from Daredevil. So they set my girl up, even though this is a perfectly good movie. See, I'm gonna agree with you on this one, because I've never watched the movie and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Oh, welcome to the good side, Andrew.

[00:12:10] I had no interest in seeing this movie back when it came out, but I, for preparation for this, watched the Daredevil, director's cut, and I jumped straight into Elektra, and I watched Elektra, and I was like, I like this movie. And I can see why everybody used to love Jennifer Garner so much, because she was a hottie, hottie, hot, and she did a really good job. And, you know, the movie did terribly, and we never got Daredevil 2 with the sequel, bringing them back together. I built a Lego orchid while watching this movie. Opinions may bear.

[00:12:40] I had to keep my mind occupied enough so it didn't want to turn this movie off. I couldn't look away. I tried to go grab something. I had to pause it, because I can't miss a thing. Because I will say from a timing standpoint, there aren't a lot of lulls. It's a good, I felt like a good amount of action with some talking that moved the story along. The only thing that I, okay, we'll get into it. We'll get into it.

[00:13:09] But like I said, Jennifer Garner was filming Alias. So this production was tight, because they were doing it on her hiatus over the, I think during the summer. I'm trying to see. They only had 62 days to film this. That is tight. Yeah. Ben Affleck reprised his role as Matt Murdock slash Daredevil in a deleted cameo appearance where he appeared to Nachias in a dream sequence. I think it was wise to not have that in there. Yeah.

[00:13:40] Because it was Elektra. It's not Daredevil. It's her story. And I think it would take away from her story. I think if Daredevil hadn't done as bad as it did, they would have kept it. But because it did so poorly, I think they wanted to like cut as much connection to it as if people had amnesia and didn't know. Although to be fair, I think Daredevil was about 67 million or $70 million it cost. And I think it made about 107.

[00:14:07] But due to the low level response from the previous film, Daredevil, promotion for this movie claimed ties to the X-Men movie instead, which had a much higher popularity response. The promotional mention of ties to the Daredevil movie only took place one week before the Elektra movie was to be released. Wow. I'm telling you, they were trying to cut ties. Because yes, financially, Daredevil made money, but people talk so much shit about that movie.

[00:14:34] But Elektra was in Daredevil to like not to just be like, oh, from the same creators of the X-Men comes Elektra. It's like, bitch, we saw her in the Daredevil movie two years ago. What are you talking about? And people who are not comic book lovers were probably like, I thought that bitch died. How? Yeah. How? How now? Is this a prequel? Like what's going on? But people went to see it. That's all I'm saying.

[00:15:03] Like it may be not as big as they wanted it to be because X-Men really set the bar. But, you know. So in March 2005, producer Avi Arad told investors that Marvel had made a mistake rushing Elektra into release. We will never do that again, he said. In an email released because of the Sony Pictures hack, Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter cited Elektra as an example of an unprofitable female-led superhero film.

[00:15:32] He wrote, very bad idea. And the end result was very, very bad. Did Trump write his internal? Pump your brakes. Get a thesaurus. Because how many times do you just say bad? Yeah. I think that's, I want, you know what I would like to do? I'd like to pull up the male action films from that time period money-wise and see if it was as bad as everybody said. Like, give me a break. I've seen words. Talk to us about Fantastic Four or Silver Surfer. Praise. Praise.

[00:15:59] I mean, funny thing about Ike Perlmutter, decades later, he would rush into production, the Inhumans TV show. And I said lies. I called it. And that thing was atrocious. Yeah, because Daredevil was released February 14th, 2003. Exactly two years later, Elektra came out. Yeah. So like, yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:22] To be able to see numbers are good enough to warrant a spinoff and then write the script and then get into production and have a limited production because your lead is on a TV show and so you have to work within her schedule. Like, two years is crazy. I'm just, I'm so confused. It's like, again, as much as I love this movie, I don't know how it got made. Like, I don't know why it was greenlit because you're complaining and bitching that the other,

[00:16:51] its origin piece didn't do well. Why would you make this? In 2000, X-Men did really well. So why not give one of those characters a spinoff? That, like, logically. They made up for it with Logan and Colin. I mean, we know that now. But like, it just like doesn't add up why you would skip a successful one. Or, well, we didn't have Blade Trinity yet. But I just, you could have made a Spider-Man spinoff. Like, well, that was with Sony.

[00:17:20] But again, I just don't understand how this got made. Were they just like, we're going to just keep throwing characters out there? And make money? Like, I don't know. And maybe they were just like, hey, we have a contracted actress who's already played this character. It's easy to just, like, we have her on the hook. Let's just use her. When I was watching the movie and I was just like, oh, Elektra and stuff.

[00:17:48] And I saw, like, Dr. Luca from ER. I was like, oh my God. I know this. And I sat the whole movie like, he looks familiar. Because I was thinking, I'm like, I wonder if Jackie remembers us, the guy from Practical Magic. Oh, was it the bad guy? Uh-huh. Ah. Yeah. I mean, I was excited they had Shang Tsung from the Mortal Kombat movie. Oh my God, yes. Yeah. I saw him and I was like, wait a minute, he's there. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:18] Also, Bob Sapp, who was the very big black guy kind of smashing things around later in the forest. What? Was he a WWE wrestler? No, he was actually like an ultimate fighter or something like that. Way back in the early days of UFC. And he used to be in Japan all the time when they were like, get a big black guy to do something. And it's like, the Japanese would fly him out. And he'd be there. Bob Sapp. That's so weird. He had a lot of internet notoriety way back then. Okay. Yeah, because I was like, who's this dude? He's pretty big. Yeah.

[00:18:48] He's huge. Yeah. The guy, okay. The guy who played the real bad guy's son or the William Lee, what's his character's name? Griggy. Griggy. I had a bad for him back in the day. And I can't remember what other movies and TV shows that he's been in. I feel like, was he on The Good Doctor? He was. Okay. Yes. He was Dr. Alex Park. Yeah. I've been having that.

[00:19:18] Probably he was at 112 episodes. So yeah, he was there. In Hawaii Five-0. Yes. Okay, that's where I'm at. That's, yes. But yeah. And he's been aging like five wine. I'm just saying. He did the best he could with this movie. But he was great eye candy for me. I think I would have slept with a good amount of people in this movie. What did you say? You almost said this shit. And then you pivoted. I was like, oh.

[00:19:51] All right, let's get into it. Yeah. So we see Elektra. After she's been brought back to life, she is an assassin for hire. So she goes into places, cleans house, and then literally cleans the house to remove all of her DNA. Her, like, I don't even know who that guy is. He just assigns her new cases. Oh, yeah. The assassin needs a handler. That's true. Like, they need someone to do the money and stuff. I'm focused on the killing. You gotta be, like, balance the books.

[00:20:22] Bad. Like, transfer the monies to the Cayman Islands or wherever. Answer the emails. Take the phone calls. Yeah. I'm not doing all that crap. Because they're not supposed to know who she is in real time. So I guess that makes sense. Go ahead. Just a note. That Elektra's fan in this movie rivals only Beyonce's. Because that girl's hair was just all over the place.

[00:20:49] I was like, why is there so much wind on her? Well, and when she's assassinating people, hair down in her face. When she's just walking around braided, like, tied back. Like, I was like, what's happening here, Elektra? What are we doing? You don't want DNA anywhere. Right. But your hair is flowing in the wind. Yeah, I'm saying it.

[00:21:16] And it didn't just flow, like, out of her face. Sometimes it was, like, in her face. Like, I don't know what's going on. Beyonce's fan never does that. But. Beyonce is not doing flippies through the air with size. She's doing great choreography. You know. Back to her handler. McCabe is his name, I think. It says that no. He has no comic book counterpart. However, it was a character named Nina McCabe. Or Macabre. I don't know.

[00:21:45] First introduced by comic book writer Peter Milligan. In the first short-lived Elektra ongoing series, Nina's father was killed in front of Elektra. And Elektra sort of adopted her, becoming her sensei. So the character of Nina is pretty similar to Abby. So it's like they took maybe one character and split her? I don't know. They do that. Yeah. Yeah. Continue, Jackie. I love Chep. Cheapy T.

[00:22:13] Because it threw a series of moody flashbacks. Elektra's parents were killed when she was young. Her dad was kind of like a drill sergeant. Like, making her just tread water in a pool for an insane amount of time. And just really hard on her. And then later on, she was trained under a mythical martial arts order called the Chaste. Chaste? Chaste. Yeah. Chaste.

[00:22:42] To hone her fighting skills. But then when she thought she was going to be, like, the chosen one, they were like, now you got to go. And she's like, what the fuck? Like, I don't have anywhere to go. This is my home. They're like, bye. See you later. Because they brought her back to life. Yeah. Which I was confused. Like, they don't really bridge the gap. Because, again, they're trying not to show too much of Daredevil.

[00:23:06] So they just show her at the morgue on the thing that you pull out of whatever. And, like, he's like, you shall be outrisen again. And she wakes up. And then she's learning. And he's pretty much telling her she has too much anger. Like, she's not letting go her rage. And quite frankly, I don't know what she was raging about. Was it the daddy issues? Because, again, we never see a flashback of her being mad at Bullseye for fucking killing her. Yeah.

[00:23:34] So the rage I don't understand. Do you guys get why she's so angry? No. And, like, because we watched Daredevil, like, over a year ago. And then I just, my brain was like, okay, we lock that up. Never to speak of it again. I was like, I don't remember when she died. Is this, like, before Daredevil? And that's how she had her skills in Daredevil. I was already checked out at this point.

[00:24:03] Because I'm like, I don't know when this is happening. I don't know when she died. I don't know when she got brought back. Like, I did not remember any of that. So it was just like, okay, we're, I was watching this movie solely on vibes. What? No context. It kind of feels like it was a bit of both. Like, it jumped around a little bit. Like, I assumed she trained before she died. And then she got brought back. And then maybe trained some more. I wasn't sure either. That's what I assumed. Sorry.

[00:24:33] I'm about to blow it actually. it but i watched daredevil afterwards just to because i needed to get the full basically she trained under a new sensei every year since she was five according to her and so she had that's why she had all those martial arts skills in daredevil and she was killed and then she was trained by the stick stick yeah and they gave her like even more and more cooler martial arts skills and she got really good but again they were like you're too angry you can't in the in the comic

[00:25:03] books is stick is that his name um does he is he involved in her storyline because i know he's traditionally in daredevil storyline if i'm correct right so weird do they threw her him in there you're right and because i'm like he's not in the daredevil movie but he's in the electro movie yeah weird he's been involved with both in the books a little bit but more daredevil yeah okay

[00:25:28] well and i was like okay so did daredevil introduce this other blind guy to electra and that's how she knows him i was very confused daredevil doesn't know stick in the daredevil movie learned all this stuff by himself all of it apparently because you think he'd be like you know electra here be my friend stick yeah like no i'm over here over here my friend i'm sorry i had that idea in my head as a gag and i had to get it out

[00:25:53] it was a visual gag for people listening where i pointed in the wrong direction and then referenced the right side now you know yeah so i was just very confused so she got some training and then she was kicked out and so she's like even more angry because now she was asked to leave her home and now she's just an assassin for hire uh because she's like fuck this shit like uh

[00:26:17] hawkeye in uh endgame yeah yeah i also think that she hasn't like she doesn't believe in the mythos of what they're fighting for like she's down for the fighting part but she's not like trying to get wrapped up in this like the hand kind of thing and i think that's the problem and also even the ethos of like that she's supposed to be some chosen one savior kind of tipping the balance of good

[00:26:45] evil or something like that even though she's been resurrected with the ability to see the future and how she might die in a fight so she can avoid those things right but she's still not she's like i like the gifts but everything else you need me to hit somebody though i could do that right do that well and yeah that was the other thing i was like i don't understand what this hand is i don't know why when certain people die they turn into green gas like i don't know why that guy's tattoos keep

[00:27:12] coming out of his body like this is really fucking weird and i don't care for are like yeah i was like are some of them mutants like where are these powers coming from so the hand are like almost like demon foot soldier things and they turn into guys because they're pretty much just made of mist and stuff they can just you can just summon an infinity of them just think of like putties from like fire rangers you just just stand out foot soldiers and they're

[00:27:39] easily dispatched and then there's like stronger ones who have abilities but like ultimately they're just like foot soldier things that you can summon when electric killed them did they not really die no i think they really die when she kills them i think it's just that they can be resurrected again and then that's just how their resurrection is not as neat and tidy as the chaste so it's just like when you die you're gonna burst into flames and maybe we'll bring you back but you're

[00:28:04] first in the flames and uh that's pretty much it i think any reference to the hand i like i think they definitely did a better job kind of explaining what the hand was in the the netflix tv shows of daredevil and it was they were even included in iron fist i think i think they were because sigorna reaver was part of that and as the villain in one of them i believe was it the the defenders i

[00:28:30] think so electra gets a new job she doesn't really want to take it but it's for a double kill and so she's like okay and so she's tasked with going to like the pacific northwest and like sitting in this house for a while and you can see like she's very routine she has everything like organized just so and then all of a sudden this little girl like not little girl the 13 year old girl appears in her

[00:28:58] house is trying to steal her cartouche and electra's like the fuck you have in your hand ma'am right she could tell this little girl is a liar is a thief and also you kind of get a sense that she's got some sort of powers or something going because like you you see her first of all she's able to even get into electra's house with without any kind of like alerts going on for her right away

[00:29:27] and then you see her shadows kind of move really fast but i do want to say that one thing we missed from the very beginning of the movie besides the beyonce fans is that papa malfoy was the guy that was getting killed did you guys not from oh i didn't know jaren isaac it wasn't isaac yes you're right that was lucius it sure was and i was like oh my god how fun would it have been if he had his lucius

[00:29:56] wig yeah blowing it like they could have a blow off with each other but yeah he was the guy narrating like that whole scene in general was hilarious to me because this man's about to get killed and he looks like he's about to orgasm he's so excited as she comes for him i'm just that's that's how i interpreted that scene but okay go back sorry i i had to call it out because i'm like why

[00:30:26] is he in this so we kick out the girl yes and then she does a lot of scenes of just sitting around in the house like what's happening i'm waiting calling mccabe and then sitting on some tree stump high up and that's when she's introduced to mark miller and i remember remembering his name because we had a friend in high school named mark miller so i was like oh we always had to say it twice so

[00:30:53] like as soon as they said mark miller i'm like oh mark miller mark miller like so every time they said his name it triggered that so yes mark miller is the the father of the teeth and it's christmas day and the little girl comes over and she's like hey come have dinner with us and electra doesn't even know that it's christmas

[00:31:20] it's just another day of waiting around for her assignment to her and so she's like no i'm good and the girl's like it's christmas come blah blah blah my dad said to invite you and so electra shows up and the dad's like oh what are you doing here and she's like that girl fucking lied i like i would have really enjoyed if they just made this movie more of like teacher student yes mother daughter feels

[00:31:50] sister daughter whatever it is that vibe instead of making this forced attraction attraction with the dad there wasn't enough time to do all that but they still made it and i think that's just from the studios feeling like there if there's a female lead there has to be some sort of romance and it just felt weird and out of place i think even back then when i saw it i was just like i'm not shipping this

[00:32:16] because i don't know what this is did you guys feel the same way or yeah i felt like i was like and you're gonna be the mom like it was just like why are we why are we shipping them so hard all of a sudden right yeah i know each other i mean i could see why he was attracted well no yeah i mean like 72 hours getting out of it 72 hours she's making out with this dude i'm just like i've been alone up here in the cabin with my daughter no one's here how about your hair beautiful woman this is my

[00:32:45] one jennifer garner critique and i think in those like quiet moments where she's just supposed to be like this ocd loner assassin i didn't feel that much range from her like i wish i had gotten more i think angelina jolie is really good at like quiet acting just with like like physical actions and

[00:33:08] like slight like facial things are like hmm or whatever and i just think at this time jennifer garner was not there yet like i think she is there now i just think this was little early in her career for for that the action flawless but like those quiet moments were just kind of i wanted more i agree and i just think it's this movie because if you watch alias she's really good at it like

[00:33:37] that girl will have you crying just but i think she also had it's a tv show you have more time to like open up that character and again we know how little time we had with this movie and the script didn't give much yeah so yeah i i i agree like not enough with the moments in between to like we don't really get to know electra we get the flashbacks and we see action and that's it like

[00:34:04] that's as much of the character we're getting well and i'm like i remember i was like i feel like this is a different character than daredevil because like she was so passionate in daredevil and we got none of that and i'm like is she really just gonna come in and just kill these two people for a paycheck like i it just didn't for me that connection wasn't there like i remember her being a very full fleshed out character in daredevil where this it was just like okay they're gonna pay me

[00:34:31] i don't care if it's a 13 year old girl and if she hadn't met the girl prior to getting her assignment she probably would have carried it out and not thought twice about it wouldn't yeah they're christmas dinner now and she immediately realizes that there are assassins at the house and no no it's didn't she did she leave was it another day or was it the same day

[00:34:58] she left and then she finally so like she was waiting for the actual person supposed to assassinate and then she found out it was the two and she was gonna like snipe them and decided not to because she had a connection with the little girl yeah and then she tells m'cave like i'm not doing this job and she like is ready to leave she's at the ferry because they're on an island and then she sees

[00:35:23] people from the hand now while all this is happening we get to see i love how all these bad guys have corporate boardrooms like what what are we doing here are we renting do we have a building are we like money laundering so we have a business like i don't get it but we meet what's this man's name creaky creaky yeah creaky and his dad and another lackey guy because of i think originally

[00:35:52] it makes it seem like he's hiring electra but we find out later that they didn't hire electra was he had another team of people that he's he tries to send he wants to do things quietly and not he calls regina's people abominations so that makes me wonder like how did they all get their weird powers and stuff like that if everybody isn't associated in the hand in that way so

[00:36:18] and we also notice find out that he is a nepo baby because his daddy runs the the gang or their element of the gang because i believe the hand is like multiple layers it's not just like one group right seems to be a lot of fingers yeah so they try to send their people and it doesn't go well because electra is able to stop them and then she goes to help when she realizes they come to the

[00:36:48] island to attack her attack the kids right yeah so essentially she becomes like their savior and then they're kind of on the run from the hand now and i think at this point electra kind of has an inkling that there's something going on with the little girl and the little girl keeps telling the dad like we need to tell her why they're after me and the dad's like no no we're not doing that because he doesn't know if they can trust her yeah he was right not to trust her that bitch was

[00:37:18] trying to kill them yeah but then after like she saved their lives a couple of times i'd probably be like i think she's on our side so they end up at mccabe's house um he does not have nearly enough security being like the the governing body of an assassin i mean he has a back door i mean like i thought

[00:37:46] i think he never thought right yeah i don't think he ever thought someone it was going to get to this like he was like you fuck with the hand girl don't do it he told her not to do it my favorite part is when they like go into the house like he's like he welcomes them in and he sends them into the house he's talking to electra he takes the shotgun and puts it under his chin he's like do you want to pull the trigger or should i he's just like we're gonna die you screwed with the hand we are gonna die

[00:38:10] there's no way this doesn't get killed it's all end up dead because of this i also love the scene that when the hand approaches them and is going to attack the house that he tells them about the secret back door thing and he's like get her to safety whatever again they still don't really know the full breadth of like who the little girl is and when she's like well what about you to mccabe he's

[00:38:37] like just go and she's like fuck and it hits her that wow he is actually giving up himself like to help protect this girl and i don't think she's ever saw seen this side of him because he's always been about the money he cares about electra like he told her that she needed to take some rest or whatever but i don't think she she saw him beyond what his role has been with her so far so i thought that was

[00:39:05] pretty cool even though he doesn't last but a half a second gonna step around his mouth yeah and then i haven't seen this man's name wrong so bad creed you like puts his hands around the guys he's like oh you don't even have to talk i can i guess he pulls memories he's got a lot of different powers that i don't understand and they are able to which is weird because they he sees electra and the dad and

[00:39:32] everybody like leaving the the trap door but it's like it's seeming as if mccabe is seeing that even though he's really just showing him that there is a back entrance door you're thinking about it too hard it doesn't make sense i'm sorry well no i thought the same thing if his powers are like psychometry then touching him is allowing him to get a vision of the future based off of the way of the

[00:40:02] person is so he's basically seeing the future by touching him not because not actually reading his memories i think really there again thanks sam it's much better than andrew telling me mansplaining i was thinking too hard but one of the things that also happens throughout the whole movie is that we're getting flashbacks of

[00:40:28] when electra sees her mom dead in her bedroom and essentially saw who killed her mom and it's very interesting i do like that they do this because your memories as a child aren't always reliable so originally as a child she's always seen this like devil horn dude kill her mom and then as time progresses she realizes that it's actually kuriji or whatever in the past that went in a ninja suit

[00:40:57] that killed her mom and my question is what moisturizer is he using because he looks so young to have been got it he's korean also also got it and and the other thing is that we never get the connection to electra's mom to this whole situation why did they kill her mom

[00:41:21] was her mom kind of like a warrior like the little girl's mom was or something like i i never quite understand was electra a candidate for the treasure like what is this was her mom a treasure i think it was because of her dad i think because because like her dad was working with milcy fisk but i feel like he was also into some hinky stuff yeah so he she was killed almost like a warning to her yeah and

[00:41:46] that's probably why he ramped up her training it was just like okay you need to be able to protect yourself because you know yeah i kind of assumed it was just the same thing like her dad was working with some crooked people and he crossed the hand so they went after the wife just like when he crossed fisk and daredevil they went after him yeah because fisk is isn't he like somehow associated to the hand as well he's employed them sometimes and i think there was a brief period of time where he ran the

[00:42:15] hand in the comics but it's it's like different organizations yeah okay and now they're on the run yes this is where we see like the henchmen for the hand where it's like all these people that have different abilities so there's like typhoid who like if she kisses you you die there's tattoo

[00:42:40] man that can like have his tattoos come off his body and become the animals that are tattooed there's the big strong man that's just strong and he's made of stone because the cave shoots him with a shotgun and it's just nothing to him his skin is strong like stone and his his skin breaks one of her size too at one point yeah so they're all kind of trying to get to her and the little girl at some point little girl just kind of comes out of nowhere and reveals herself and she has like

[00:43:10] whip thing that she uses that she was annoying to me after a while she she you know our our list of of annoying kids i think mummy too yeah was one of the kids she definitely gets there because she's aggro she just starts aggravating my nerves i do love when electric calls it out like you're a pain in my ass i said hell yeah she is very annoying child yeah and the dad is

[00:43:35] like no help in that fight scene no i mean he throws a knife yes here's the guy but like what i do love that that's a choice that they don't make the male one of the male leads actually useful in any way that he's kind of like the damsel in distress if that makes sense they did have a deleted scene where mark miller's character actually does do something there was like a promo depicting him of effectively

[00:44:05] fighting off ninjas at the cabin but they deleted it and i think i didn't mind it i didn't mind that he couldn't do nothing because it was realistic yeah because she like she has done all the training and he has just sat in the woods and protected his daughter yeah orange slices and water for his baby go hand kicks in my ass girl i'm gonna keep supporting you so eventually electra's like okay cut all this

[00:44:33] bullshit like you and me like i've killed is this after she's killed all the henchmen people well before so when they're before they are officially they before they go to mccabe's they go and meet stick at this pool hall and she's like she's essentially trying to just say here take them they need they

[00:44:57] need your help this is the kind of shit you do good or shit you do take them and he's like nah what and he's starting to like try to sensei sensei mind wipe her ass or like mind fuck her and say well why did you save them why didn't you kill them then she realized that he hired her to kill them in the first place so it's like a whole cat and mouse thing and so then they leave because he's essentially i'm not i'm not helping these people i don't you know and he calls out the fact that they

[00:45:27] that mark miller lied he's like you know why you're getting chased and that's when he starts to say yes they killed my wife and all this other stuff and so she finds out and that's when they get in the car and they're heading to mccabe and they find the tattoo fucking bird thing which was creepy yeah and now once they get out of the the trap door they're fighting electric kills a few people and then the typhoid mary lady that's when like you said she makes out with electric essentially

[00:45:53] almost killing her and then out of nowhere once the girl reveals herself and starts fighting one of the other guys stick comes with all the other ninjas from the trees like crouching tiger and they go back to their palace of sheets i don't know what the laundry cost of this movie is but there's a lot of them yeah it's just billowing white sheets in a completely dark

[00:46:23] mansion and then electra in her power red suit and then at the beginning when i guess like the henchmen are coming in before because she's like giri like let's just you and me let's let's go and one of us is going to walk out of this but i guess he sends people in beforehand but she was ready for it and she just blows them all up question your daddy left you a mcmansion

[00:46:49] you lock it up don't touch it for whatever but there's electricity somebody could pay the bills yeah and there's like a groundskeeper who's like maintaining the property you would that would get dilapidated after a while so you have to have somebody he's a billionaire so he has money aside for the house money for utilities and then that was my question what happened to the billions of dollars that she was supposed to have because her dad was a billionaire but i guess you know she was claimed dead so it just boof it's gone now i went back into

[00:47:17] the company probably but i guess like if someone somebody is keeping up this house why is the lock on the the gate rusted as hell she uses candles to light shit up but then all of a sudden when the girl gets hurt at the end she's able to walk her up the stairs and turn on the light the lamp yeah did she call fbl or con edison before she the lights like yo i'm about to go kick some ass in my old

[00:47:44] house yeah i'm alive my code is x223 yeah can you turn the lights on thank you let the lights were working she just did the candle for just the aura of it she went to like well and that makes the explosion more exciting if it's done by candle yeah i just those were the logical questions that popped up for me it's the same thing with the hair billowing i learned this word aura farming and this

[00:48:11] was a lot of that like you were just doing it just for the coolness sake so you know walking around with candlelight wind blowing all that stuff gotta get yourself in the right mindset for the big game yeah okay got it so she's fighting kigiri yeah i don't know how to say his name and then the abby the little girl walks in and so she's trying to help but she's not really helping and then alexa's like

[00:48:35] now i gotta save your ass again like i was just gonna like kill this guy and be on with it and um then it's like at one point electra's running up the stairs and she's like abby and abby whips her chain at her and somehow electra's able to like grab the chain and put her over the the stairs i'm like well this was unnecessary it was a cool scene i

[00:48:59] like it's i don't disagree i would put that a lethal weapon diehard five stole from electra because they did the thing where they're both like chastising each other while they jump through a window together yeah and i was just like oh that scene that's like a scene that pops up later in and like action scenes all the time where you just like you're you're both like talking to each other like saying you know one-liners and then jump both jump through a glass window and fall to

[00:49:26] like a large period of time like a large distance i would say that that actually came from the long kiss goodnight welcome to the 90s and the stunts are real and no one cares yeah well i mean jennifer garner did most of her yeah her stunts in this movie that that's why i think you get so many good close-ups of her she was very committed i think that's another reason why they did the movie because i'm just like out of all the actors they had who was still in shape that they didn't have to do much

[00:49:54] work to like get them and she was already doing alias stuff so she was already like in fighting shape so to speak yeah at one point she does one-armed pull-ups and i was just thinking to myself is she really doing that or is she are they helping her because if she's really doing that i'm impressed she was really doing it she was very dedicated to those arms she had the best arms man she should never have let ben affleck turn her into a housewife

[00:50:17] fucking lost so much and now he's touting fucking dunking donuts commercials left and right now they're in the maze essentially they're running in the maze away from all the different henchmen yeah and electra is slowly killing everyone all the henchmen and she rescues abby and then everything at the end is fuzzy victory is in the maze yeah her and yeah they're fighting because the

[00:50:42] little girl is running behind her and then gets stopped by snakes tattoo snakes yeah and then sorry sam go ahead oh no so she kills the tattoo snake guy while that's happening abby's getting attacked again but this time by typhoid gets and gets poisoned and then it's like she has to fight curie like no i can't say his name okay read it the actress who plays typhoid who is supposed to

[00:51:07] based on like typhoid mary by the way natasha mouth she actually previously auditioned for the role of electra when in the original in the daredevil movie which i did not know that i don't know if i've seen her in anything else did you guys recognize her not even a little bit oh wow okay she's been a lot of small things it feels like oh not small things with small rules

[00:51:31] blood rain percy jackson and vikingdom and stark raving mad i don't know a couple things she was supposed to be typhoid mary well it's like what did you think a marvel movie character called typhoid was i know but like the power set is not even the same like and again that's another daredevil person i don't yes it is well exactly that's once they said you know she was poison and

[00:51:54] you know all that i was like oh it's typhoid mary yeah i understand but no rage sam has that's not her power set that's not i get that but still you have to just name a character typhoid in a daredevilist thing she could have been viper no one cares about anybody named viper oh danielle she was in together the series one episode i need to re-watch that show

[00:52:21] i haven't seen it in so long so electra finally just ends karegi but then she's really concerned because typhoid got to abby so she she brings her up to a bedroom and then she has to channel the chaste and complete her learnings which is why stick kicked her out and recognize her abilities

[00:52:49] and she was able to bring wax on wax off bring abby back to life i will go ahead i will say that fight scene between her and green was really really good and it's weird to have a well placed in the middle of this fight but i thought it was good but it was also interesting because while they were filming the

[00:53:13] side sword fight jennifer garner accidentally got her nickel her knuckles her knuckles sliced by william lee she got them patched up because my girls ready to go she ride or die got back up and this did it again in the exact same spot maybe not do this stunt jen but he's a liability issue i think it's weird that jennifer garner and natacia mothi were nominated for best kiss at the 2005 mtv

[00:53:42] movie awards yeah i just felt like they made this character they were like oh you know what would be cool is if we had a girl kiss in this movie how do we make that happen oh let's wipe away all of her real powers and make it that if she kisses somebody they can't they die yeah and that thing was long as fuck by the way yeah yeah it was it was like the dementors no like i was remembering what i was thinking when i was a kid watching that i'm just like there

[00:54:10] was no need for this but yeah that's totally what i wanted it's like the dementors sucking the soul from people where you're just like how is this gonna be like what it actually took me a second took me a second to realize what you meant when you said they were nominated her best kiss i was like what movie was she in that she got nominated her best kiss the same as jennifer garner and then i realized oh you meant for this one yes like wow okay super slow-mo poison kiss just and they're just like falling it's like electra she's just falling

[00:54:39] with this like like black petals coming down because of like death and whatever and she's like electra's like all slumped over dead and like so it's like fuck mary kill all in one slow-mo scene someone in 2005 the mtv rewards was just watching like slower nicer nice this will be the nominee so she provides a little girl they go back to wherever i don't know

[00:55:07] the oh they go back to the compound i guess yeah i don't know blanket compound yeah so she goes and she makes out with mark miller one more time i don't really do that right the dumbest pickup line ever one for the road i don't know what happens after that so according to chad gpt electra releases mark and abby to live their lives in peace she's still brooding but now slightly less

[00:55:34] so electra walks off alone ready to face whatever comes next and in parentheses but no sequel ever came well that's not true our girl was in dead cool he was and many years later that for her i love that she got to be side by side by blade with blade great i was loving it wolverine i was like thank

[00:55:59] you for my girl justin she even gets throw shade at her uh her ex yes i'm glad that i'm surprised ryan didn't try to get ben maybe he did but like i'm okay i know why he got jennifer though because they had done a movie together and they seemed to be pretty cool with each other but getting into some

[00:56:23] gossip first of all if you want to know a full-on timeline of the bennifer jen and ben saga you i think we have that in our daredevil episode correct yes in the bonus episode i think it was yes yeah and i i it's one of my prize jewels that i've ever done but it is quite interesting because if you read the blind

[00:56:47] items you'll know that allegedly when ben was doing the town he was having an affair with blake lively so as much as jennifer does love ryan reynolds she does avoid really interacting with him when his wife so i don't think his wife was on set during that time because she don't fuck with with blake lively and that's your dirt for the day y'all and that is electra

[00:57:19] okay let's see what fun facts we missed bowman stated that the film was literally 12 frames of film from an r rating due to mpa objections to several death scenes probably cooler deaths yeah yeah not just green mist although the comic strip electra usually wears a pair of large gold hoop earrings as a part of her costume jennifer garner did not wear them as well as her do rag thing that

[00:57:46] she'd be wearing so i guess it was like hard to unable to wear them as they were pierced for pierced ears and oh jennifer garner didn't have ears her ears pierced at the time also i just think the big hoops would have been a liability in those action scenes especially with the wind blowing fan situation as well and jennifer garner did fight to make sure that electra had her signature red

[00:58:12] look in this movie that she compromised to not have in the daredevil movie because she was wearing black in that one although funny enough i think later on when they did some ultimate spider-man comic books and introduced electra her look was probably closer to jennifer garner's from daredevil at that point they gave her like a black outfit that looked a lot closer yeah interesting okay i think we're supposed to have an electric video game that would have been fun but not to be out of all of the

[00:58:37] crap video games that have ever been produced we couldn't get an electric video game thrown in there it would have been you know you know little boys in the 90s they can't be a girl play as a girl except they were all with tomb raider well and how many of them they were playing for the wrong reasons also chun lee for the wrong reasons her boobs look like blocks in the tomb raider like literally square blocks you're absolutely right and it was for the wrong reasons

[00:59:05] well and then chun lee you know she had that upside down spinning bird kick thing no wrong reasons you don't want teenage boys i think i'm trying to think which one is in our time frame i think mortal combat is in our time frame but i don't think street fighter is i think street fighter came out in 94 it was earlier definitely it is 94 so technically we could make an allowance for it but i don't know a double feature i don't

[00:59:31] might be i think a double feature would be confusing because like you know i can't remember no names but you know what is in our time frame tomb raider oh okay i do find it interesting the origin story of this before this movie got made so in 1987 which is wild that they were even thinking about doing it then after the success of frank miller's electra assassin marvel tried to adapt the graphic novel

[00:59:56] into a live action film uh after selling the rights to new line cinema frank miller was hired to pen a screenplay based on the graphic novel but later on screenwriters jim mcbride and l.m kit kit carson were hired to write the second script director oliver stone was later signed to direct and wanted volleyball player model and actress gabrielle reese to star as electra god the project was canceled as it

[01:00:25] should have been the after the rights the lecture were sold to century 20th century fox i that would have been a nightmare gabrielle reese can't act i've seen some commercials lover but no only 55 you've been very done at the time yeah that's a that's a hard pass i don't i'm telling you these studio heads know nothing i don't know what decisions that they're making it's ridiculous i think they're

[01:00:54] just like hey there's this hot tall chick let me offer her a movie i mean outside of the angela bassett rumors wasn't like rumored for storm for a long time too yeah i think so yeah exactly exactly all right guys good enough before we get into our ratings why don't you tell everyone sam we'll start with you where they can find

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[01:02:16] could watch it again i was wrong and i admit that i love that for us two days it was it was it felt like a like a directed dvd kind of movie that didn't get the budget it needed to get the only thing i liked about the movie was elektra and that's like because there's really

[01:02:39] nothing else happening there it's kind of but yeah jackie same day rental because i'm out of lego sets to belt you could always buy more just saying i'm running out of room send you an electric one

[01:02:58] as for me would i watch this again yes would i buy it again probably i don't have to because i have it on dvd so whatever fuck everybody would buy again i i mean you say it with your whole chest and that's you do you

[01:03:27] according to danielle there is nothing wrong with this movie even dissecting it is look it's 10 times better than daredevil it's better than fast fantastic four like literally if i was going to rank the mcu at that time it's blade all the way for me spider-man one and two maybe the x-men movie just because i was so hyped about it

[01:03:55] and the lecture's like right definitely right there i i don't see anything else like it's better than half the other shit that came out in the mcu you thought a lecture was better than the daredevil movie yeah director's cut now colin farrell in the airport scene in the director's cut

[01:04:19] fucking priceless him in the him on the in the the airplane killing that lady with just the the paper clip with a paper clip that was a peanut actually oh yeah it's a peanut sorry he flicked it like yeah okay just for the record have were you like i watched that again recently did you listen to what the old lady was saying during that stuff like my eyes bugged out if anyone is out there just

[01:04:48] look up that scene listen to her what she's talking about she goes so left so quickly it's yeah wild i want a whole movie about bullseye yes farrell's bullseye and that should have been the hint that he would be like now we're watching him in the penguin like that was they had gold there and it up so but yes sam with my full chest electra is better than daredevil at least daredevil had

[01:05:16] camp that kept me interested like focused on it i it was the lecture was a little i will say i could follow daredevil's plot line okay i'm just saying it's not as bad as everyone's making it out to be well if you'd like to join in this daredevil versus electra debate hit us up at our quick drop 909-601-6653

[01:05:42] twat us at the twitters heaven set the threads butterfly in the sky at blue skies and you can be featured on a future episode and join us next week as we take on the body swap classic wish upon a star andrew sam it was a pleasure as always thank you i had so much fun and thank you for pointing out things to danielle that myself alone couldn't i need

[01:06:09] a backup for certain things whatever three five ten i don't care how many people i'm still gonna say then the whole hand and the foot danielle stand on and i'm waiting for a sequel i'm a hold out hope and it may be not a sequel just with her but

[01:06:35] i i she is now in the mcu she is that is a fact and as always be kind and rewind i'm a hold out hope and i'll see you next week so