Star Wars: Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones

[00:00:00] Peace never lasts forever, well not in the Star Wars universe at least. That's right,

[00:00:05] we're diving headfirst into the sandy wasteland of Tatooine and the bustling cityscape of Coruscant

[00:00:12] in Attack of the Clones. Get ready because this episode is full of forbidden love,

[00:00:18] creepy clones, and a whole lot of Anakin thirsting.

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[00:00:40] best friends and ex-blockbuster employees rewatching some of the best and worst movies from the late

[00:00:45] 90s and early 2000s. This week we are talking about the 2002 film Star Wars Episode 2,

[00:00:52] Attack of the Clones in celebration of Star Wars Day. May the fourth be with you.

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[00:02:38] bend it like Beckham and holes. Third time's the charm for attack of the clone.

[00:02:45] It's about time whenever you guys mentioned like, oh, we're going to discuss this movie. I was

[00:02:50] like, yes. This is my jam. Well, let's get into your jam. I'm going to give a brief synopsis. If

[00:03:02] you've been living under a rock about episode two set 10 years after the events of the Phantom

[00:03:09] Menace, the Republic continues to be mired in strife and chaos. Separate movements encompassing

[00:03:16] hundreds of planets and powerful corporate alliances poses new threats to the galaxy

[00:03:21] that even the Jedi cannot stem. I wouldn't be honest with you. I think this is the first time

[00:03:26] I've heard like what the movie is about. None of this sounds familiar either. I'm like,

[00:03:33] I don't think I've watched this movie so many times. I don't think I could explain what it's

[00:03:37] about. Can't even after reading this, I won't be able to explain it. These moves long planned

[00:03:43] by an as yet unrevealed and powerful force lead to the beginning of the Clone Wars

[00:03:48] and the beginning of the end of the Republic.

[00:03:54] Wait, can I just say though, like the synopsis when I was watching the movie is that Palme

[00:03:58] and Anakin fall in love and that's it. That's like what Disney Plus had on there.

[00:04:04] It's like Palme and Anakin secretly fall in love and I'm like so much more happens in

[00:04:08] this movie. But okay, go with this movie. That's the least of our worries in this movie.

[00:04:16] There's a little bit of sand. There's a lot of love. There's a lot of killing and robots.

[00:04:24] The outfits are great though. The outfits are hidden.

[00:04:30] Well, the movie stars Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman,

[00:04:34] Hayden Christensen, Ian McDiarmid, Samuel L. Jackson, Christopher Lee, Tamira Morrison,

[00:04:42] Anthony Daniels, Kenny Baker and Frank Oz. The movie of course was directed by George Lucas.

[00:04:48] The screenplay was written by George Lucas and Jonathan Hales. You can watch it currently on

[00:04:54] Disney Plus but before we start let's get into our ratings rewind.

[00:04:58] So you know the drill. Before we get into the movie, we'll reveal the rating or Y2K

[00:05:02] versions of ourselves we give and then at the end we'll see if our current selves agree

[00:05:07] with our initial rating. Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy it again, the best

[00:05:12] would play on repeat, five day rental, would watch again, two day rental, okay but nothing

[00:05:20] to write home about, insane day rental, put them in a sand dune and swallow them up in

[00:05:24] the universe. It's fucking trash. Yeah honestly I think that's like we watched it once that's

[00:05:32] enough. So Mariah, uh, same day rental? Like why would you rewatch this movie?

[00:05:45] Okay I want to assume that my childhood self because I remember we I rewatched the movie

[00:05:50] with the ratings in mind and I'm like maybe as a child with Hayden with the fact that like oh

[00:05:56] it's so cool with like the special effects I would have liked it. I mean I would have

[00:06:01] done a two day rental at the top like I'm assuming I would have done two day rental

[00:06:04] at that time okay at that time. At that time.

[00:06:12] I love that you're like when you were a child and I was like I saw this in college

[00:06:16] and I was in high school. I was like 15 in high school and like enamored by the man so

[00:06:25] I saw this in college and I remember being super psyched for it like I hadn't given up hope.

[00:06:33] I saw the first sequel Phantom Menace, was not happy with it but I said you know what

[00:06:40] George is gonna come through he's not gonna disappoint your girl a second time around

[00:06:44] he just thought it's not gonna happen and I remember I had a group of friends we went

[00:06:49] and stood in line this was gonna be it and you know the smartest thing they did was put that

[00:06:56] Yoda fight scene at the end closer to the end of the movie because I do remember that being

[00:07:02] like yo this movie was shit but that scene though Yoda was that was top tier. So my rating

[00:07:12] at the time was definitely two day rental because I was like I'm still gonna go back and

[00:07:15] re-watch it because I would not let my love for Star Wars die. Yeah that and the fact that we cast

[00:07:22] hot people you know I was not interested in and not one of the cast members.

[00:07:31] That was if Harrison Ford was not in these movies I did not. Oh valid yeah you cannot

[00:07:41] touch young Harrison Ford. Yeah unlike Danielle, burn me once George not again so I did not see

[00:07:50] this in the Y2K. I waited until I was a full grown adult to try and watch this. I did have

[00:07:57] to call Ken at one point and I'm like I need you to explain this movie to me. Impossible.

[00:08:04] So the first time I ever watched it as a grown-up was probably a year ago

[00:08:11] maybe two years ago because I'm like I'm gonna watch all of them in

[00:08:15] machete order. As I'm watching I'm like hold on wait a minute. Clones they talk about

[00:08:21] are human or like humanoid they're not the robots and he's like no why would they be

[00:08:27] the robots? I'm like that's all you saw in the trailers for 25 years. I thought the clones

[00:08:34] are the robots the droids that come out and attack everyone. I'm like so the clones are in

[00:08:40] this movie for like less than two minutes and they get top billing. I don't understand and he

[00:08:48] was just like looking at me you know when Jessica Simpson is like is this tuna or is this

[00:08:54] chicken? The way Nicolache looked at her is the way Ken was looking at me about not

[00:09:01] understanding that the robots were not the clones. No no so and I wanted to make it clear

[00:09:07] it's just so valid because so though I like loved Hayden Christensen growing up and I knew

[00:09:12] very much about that like Star Wars lore I didn't actually watch any of these movies until

[00:09:16] three years ago where I like sat down and I remember this was the movie that was like my

[00:09:21] rate limiting step like I would just like stopped and I'm like I don't understand this one

[00:09:26] guys and like so many people like stitched me and like were like trying to explain it to me

[00:09:30] and they talk it to me the movie does not make sense. Simply put the clones this whole time were

[00:09:37] good they were clones what they weren't robots no it's so valid. I have valid so I did record

[00:09:46] my conversation with Ken it's like three minutes long but he does a really good job

[00:09:53] of explaining so I can play that for us so and he's at the tracks so there might be loud

[00:09:59] noises but.

[00:10:59] From the Republic got it so the Republic turns into the Empire and the separatists turn into

[00:11:04] the rebel alliance okay right so it's like the roles are reversed in the first three movies which

[00:11:12] is probably where you're getting confused is the first three movies the bad guys are the

[00:11:15] good guys and four five six okay but but okay yes and that's why the droids are attacking

[00:11:23] Anakin and Obi-Wan. Yeah the trade federation is who's building the droids it's just the

[00:11:28] genocides are building them for the trade and they're in so the droids are just easily cheap

[00:11:34] made things so they don't have to and then when they find out the clone army was ordered by

[00:11:40] I think it's how deep you actually or them but you know they they painted out another Jedi

[00:11:44] that died for a long time yeah yeah so he didn't have anything to do with it but that

[00:11:49] was the that's you know who they had in the books he was the Patsy yes but he was murdered

[00:11:55] so anyway so you're asking about the droids where they came from the separatists built them in

[00:12:00] order to you know basically do the blockade of Naboo okay and then start you know they

[00:12:05] ramped up production of the you know they are too and see three people like running through

[00:12:09] the factory yeah they're trying to get stamped out and stuff like that yeah yeah that's

[00:12:13] that's because uh you know they're just building the droids as fast as they can

[00:12:17] so it goes on from there but that's essentially in a nutshell you know what got me tell me was

[00:12:26] when I was watching the newer three movies and the fanboys were mad about Finn being a black man

[00:12:35] thank you and so then I was reading the discussions beside like what exactly was so bad why are you

[00:12:44] so mad and they were talking about how the stormtroopers were supposed to be clones and

[00:12:52] I said say well now clones and so that that's that little pebble stayed in my brain

[00:12:59] because then somebody was going well that changed after so and so and then people started

[00:13:05] to sign up yes to be the stormtroopers so I was like okay okay now exactly rewatching it back

[00:13:13] I'm like oh shit these the clones that the fanboys were talking about yes and that's like

[00:13:20] it's like so freaking confusing I low-key think attack of clones kind of made it worse

[00:13:26] yeah for that reason like because like I like the idea that people just like were like yeah we

[00:13:34] agree with this because we've seen this with our like modern culture of people being like yeah

[00:13:38] that sure is a low-key fool so like yeah you know I could see people signing up for it or like

[00:13:43] being recruited into it because they had no choice right it probably was until he was just

[00:13:48] like wait I have a choice let me help people right so like whenever this clone thing happened

[00:13:53] that's why I was so confused because I'm like wait they were clones for a bounty hunter

[00:13:59] so I did ask Ken about that because he's like yeah that's what the clones but they

[00:14:04] accelerated their aging process to grow them quicker yeah and so they died off quicker and

[00:14:11] so in so uh in solo Han was going to sign up to be a stormtrooper and then

[00:14:19] and I don't like solo very much I refuse to see it that did happen but like you know

[00:14:25] don't lovers in it so like I watched it obviously and so was Amelia Clarke but yeah

[00:14:29] yeah well and and Ken has very hard opinions about most things but solo he's like if they

[00:14:36] had just called it a star wars story and it wasn't Han Solo in the main character he's like

[00:14:41] it was a great movie it was just not Han Solo's story like I refuse to believe it's on solo's

[00:14:47] story and I think that's why everyone has a hard time with it because I'm not a Han Solo

[00:14:52] girly even though I love Harrison Ford I love Harrison Ford don't look at me like that

[00:14:58] Danielle I love him we all have our favorite soloist characters he loves competition that's

[00:15:06] fine for me Harrison Ford is peak in Indiana Jones personally I do love a ripped shirt

[00:15:14] but the button got like professor vibes yeah like anyways okay but like yeah no I'm not a Han

[00:15:23] I guess like I expected too much but yeah no Solo just didn't do it for me as much I love

[00:15:28] I love the casting was great it's just yeah but like Rogue I maybe even compared it to Rogue

[00:15:34] One too much Rogue One is one is yeah one of my favorite outside of the original it's

[00:15:40] a good movie I think it's just a great movie and then it happens to be Star Wars yeah they

[00:15:46] need to do more of that I think Mandalorian is in line with that as well yeah that's why I love

[00:15:51] Mandalorian so much like it's just like I loved Obi-Wan but I like Obi-Wan in a sense

[00:15:57] that it's a Star Wars right project but I like Mandalorian in the sense that I love

[00:16:03] the show of Mandalorian so it's different yeah and Attack of the Clones is very much like oh

[00:16:09] I watched it because it was in the Star Wars universe yeah right I don't know if Carrie Fisher

[00:16:16] helped with ghost writing on this one at all we learned that she was a ghost writer for a

[00:16:21] lot of different movies and in the original Star Wars movies George would ask her to kind

[00:16:28] of fix a few things she is called a script doctor for a reason she's one of the she was

[00:16:34] one of the best and I really feel like this movie needed a woman's touch 100% like watching

[00:16:44] the Anakin Padme scenes made me want to pull my hair out because I'm like who talks like

[00:16:51] this who talks to each other like this what woman does this and that's where I was like

[00:16:56] okay there's no female perspective in this whatsoever and Hayden Christensen does play

[00:17:03] though everyone's like it's really bad acting but I have to say you have some of the best

[00:17:08] actors you could have in this movie honestly and it was the direction it was the script

[00:17:15] because it's the dialogue because Natalie Portman is a great actress Hayden Christensen I've seen

[00:17:22] him do some pretty good stuff life is a house like yeah he was great in that and I look I know

[00:17:27] I'm a Hayden girlie but I'm like he did what he had to do with like the cadence of like Darth

[00:17:33] Vader like he was definitely like stealing his shame all like he was trying to do that cadence

[00:17:39] it's the dialogue who talks about seeing when they're flirting right it's like I I know that

[00:17:47] George Lucas has been with a woman but after watching this movie I'm like but has he

[00:17:57] has he been with a woman before that was his part I

[00:18:05] I was ranting about this movie to Ken and I was just like it makes no sense there's no

[00:18:12] reason for Padme to fall in love with Anakin makes again makes no sense he's got no game

[00:18:19] and Ken goes well there is a fan theory that Anakin was using the force on her the whole time

[00:18:26] oh okay I hate that but this is the one little fun fact I actually didn't know this

[00:18:34] fun fact I looked it up for this so the aggressive negotiation conversation between

[00:18:40] Anakin and Padme which I will say is the cutest part of the flirtation between them the most

[00:18:45] organic part is the one that they ad-libbed he like that just like to say like George Lucas

[00:18:52] wrote everything else but the one time where he's just like be cute and romantic and have like

[00:18:56] a little dialogue and like pad like you know obviously like Hayden and Natalie like

[00:19:01] Hallib which by the way I low-key believe that they were dating during this time saying

[00:19:05] I was like they like that's the cutest one like the whole pair scene like you know aggressive

[00:19:10] negotiation when they were just being themselves it is the most like natural and the one that

[00:19:16] actually sells it the most and it's the one that they outlived and the one that George

[00:19:19] Lucas didn't write and I think that speaks for itself we should have let them all just let

[00:19:26] just let them yeah go on their way because I do feel like he was very stressed making this

[00:19:33] movie and writing this movie because the last movie made like so many people upset

[00:19:42] and I think one of the things that I had to keep in perspective re-watching this movie was

[00:19:47] that viral conversation with Freddie Prinze Jr. where he talks about how the reason that so

[00:19:55] many people don't like the newer Star Wars movies is because the first Star Wars movies

[00:19:59] were made for kids essentially I feel like the first set of Star Wars movies were

[00:20:06] made for teenagers fanboys like George Lucas and his peeps I think this second set was

[00:20:13] definitely target especially the first one was targeted at younger kids and that's why we got

[00:20:20] Jar Jar Binks that's why we had the young Anakin and I think by the time we got to

[00:20:26] racing right like so when Freddie Prinze Jr. said that these movies were for the next generation

[00:20:33] of kids it wasn't for us and when I look at our generation Jackie we're like at the cusp

[00:20:39] because we were not in that set of of the second the the prequel yeah we were too young

[00:20:46] for the first trilogy and too old for the second trilogy right so that's why we get the

[00:20:53] last trilogy I don't even know if that's for me either I think that's for another set of kids

[00:20:59] I love the last trilogy and Force Awakens one of my favorite comfort movies

[00:21:08] that's Last Jedi for me like I have to re-watch it because oh my god I can go off about

[00:21:14] the flesh I think it's like a perfect Star Wars movie I think the dialogue for George

[00:21:19] Lucas I think he has like the sci-fi big story building mentality it's just he doesn't know how

[00:21:25] to write dialogue and I think the dialogue really hurts all the prequels I think the fact

[00:21:33] that it's made for kids makes sense I think the characters make sense I even think like

[00:21:37] the little bad like you know I know they didn't use like actual like effects like they did in

[00:21:43] the original like see and like everyone hates that but like I think it makes sense because

[00:21:47] at the time of 2000s like those like visual effects were so prevalent that everyone used it

[00:21:53] so like it makes sense even me watching it now I'm like you know what it's so 2000s that like

[00:21:58] it it's like this little time capsule that it worked for the time it came out it's the

[00:22:03] dialogue I think the hardest part of the whole people like series is the dialogue yes and

[00:22:09] I also think that he was trying to make a love story the reason why the first three do does

[00:22:17] well is because they are at war right yeah and so you see Leia and Han Solo develop their

[00:22:24] relationship even before we knew Luke was her brother there was even that flirtation but

[00:22:29] it was like small moments bite-sized moments in between a lot of action between a lot of

[00:22:35] things happening and I think this movie slowed down way too much because there wasn't the action

[00:22:42] part until we get to the end like the two of them are just having this romantic thing right

[00:22:50] but it wasn't romantic at all so they should have stuck to the formula that works which is

[00:22:55] a little bit of light love in the afternoon in the midst of fighting and I think that

[00:23:01] would have worked better I also didn't like that Ewan McGregor was away from Anakin and

[00:23:10] any any like Hayden was playing the the angsty teenager this is giving very much the what

[00:23:17] is it the fourth or fifth Harry Potter movie where the fifth movie where he's just like

[00:23:25] in angry but just the execution wasn't the greatest because again we're the dialogue that

[00:23:32] we're dealing with and you're right it is unbelievable that Padme even find this attractive

[00:23:40] like what is it about him and so when I watched it was with my sister she had net she's

[00:23:47] never seen a Star Wars movie and this is her introduction and this is her introduction

[00:23:55] and what really got us was the fact that there were many times

[00:24:03] that there were red flags ahead of them actually consummating or being together

[00:24:10] that she should have walked away 100% yeah when he killed all the Tusken Raiders

[00:24:17] oh and he came back with that speech where he's just like casually bringing up fascism

[00:24:25] right my sister left because when he was like maybe that's what worked dictatorship and I was

[00:24:31] like yeah maybe that is what works and my sister was like not no Danielle no and like

[00:24:39] the thing is like we've talked about this before too with the whole like oh Padme

[00:24:42] grooming and all this stuff like just smiling like not saying anything like you mean

[00:24:49] dictatorship homie what can we stop let's not like you know tumble in the weeds of a port

[00:24:55] like like yeah you're the meadows right now let's like talk about the fact that you've just

[00:24:59] brought up dictatorship and I'm a senator right he's like I don't trust senator yeah but

[00:25:07] with the youngest senator my thing with like George Lucas it's like I need to understand

[00:25:11] what his like feelings are about women because how do you write Leia how do you write Padme how

[00:25:15] do you write like write Skywalker and then have these men these women fall in love with these

[00:25:20] type of men yes because it's like how do you write such strong amazing female characters but

[00:25:25] they have terrible taste in men like nothing against Kylo Ren but like what because that is

[00:25:30] what he these men write themselves there right yeah the patriarchy if you look at who George

[00:25:38] Lucas is attracted to and who he has married and dated and whatever that's true he likes strong

[00:25:46] women and I'm not saying this is George Lucas I don't know him but from what his characters

[00:25:51] show me he may be one of those weaker men and this is the conversation that happens on the

[00:25:58] internet all the time where it's you have these men the Andrew Tate followers of the world

[00:26:05] they don't go for the pick me women that they go for the women that they want to be able to tear

[00:26:13] down break down and bring them down to their level and that's well that they want them

[00:26:18] like they want to cage that bird they want the free spirit but they want to cage her

[00:26:23] and like I think that's what I hate about it like maybe not what Padme and Anakin as much

[00:26:27] but like I hate that with Leia and like Han a lot so I'm just like why would Leia go for

[00:26:33] Han Solo but now I but honestly I get it because it's like if it wasn't hitting

[00:26:38] Christmas and playing Anakin why would I'm it like why would Padme go for Anakin it makes

[00:26:44] actually no sense the thing is Han Solo was never trying to cage that bird he was trying

[00:26:50] to fuck that bird and go about his life there's a difference I think he just fell in

[00:26:56] love with her yeah it was an accident it was I'm serious I really if you watch his action

[00:27:03] there's nothing that man did that was him really trying like the woman said I love you and he said

[00:27:11] I know that was all you needed to see Red Flag on the food not a hot soul is nothing but

[00:27:20] red flags you can make a dress with those flags yeah and and that's fine Han Solo is the hot guy

[00:27:25] you date before you marry a real decent dude you don't marry the Han Solo because she married

[00:27:33] him too I don't need like I feel like I feel like Anakin is a bigger Red Flag than Han

[00:27:40] oh no he 100 and especially for Padme who is like the youngest senator who is one who

[00:27:47] once had the literally her whole people like voted so she could be at the senator for them

[00:27:53] another term she was just like no I'm done how does she I don't I don't it's okay it's

[00:28:00] just because he's hot it's he's hot but also I think she has she has a strong empathy for

[00:28:09] him but when his mother dies and just like being there it was trauma bonding essentially

[00:28:17] and he was in such a like shitty place and his motherfucker lost his arm yes let's get married

[00:28:22] let's do it because I'm in parliament or whatever with bugs and shit and married men so

[00:28:29] I'm gonna take this hottie that's true I feel like also the fact that he's a Jedi also

[00:28:34] like how well like I really do respect Leia a little bit more for that reason because she did

[00:28:39] you know they did were separated I do think she like recognized so like Han was like because

[00:28:43] Han's also just the hot guy at that time to be honest but like Leia was just like no this is

[00:28:50] not my worth I didn't do so much more and she became the general and like she just did so much

[00:28:54] more in the sequels but I think with Padme also she died young it was tragic everything

[00:28:59] the hiding of secrecy the and you could tell that she like you know like okay so this is

[00:29:04] going to a wretched set territory but like you know Anakin you're breaking my heart like

[00:29:09] maybe she just believed in him she saw him when he was a kid and saw how good he was and

[00:29:16] she saw this she was a horrible guy like looking at her like this okay you know and she should

[00:29:23] have been seeing the signs but let's talk about the box office really quick because

[00:29:28] as much as we don't like this movie we're not dealing with the budget for this movie was

[00:29:35] $115 million it made $653.8 million worldwide that's a lot of cash yeah funny enough this

[00:29:47] was the first Star Wars movie that was not the top grossing film of the year in North America

[00:29:53] it placed actually third after Spider-Man and The Lord of the Rings The Two Towers

[00:29:58] it remained the only one to not reach the number one spot until it was joined by Star

[00:30:04] Wars The Clone Wars in 2008 Solo a Star Wars story in 2018 and then Star Wars The Rise of

[00:30:12] Skywalker in 2019 so this also was the most expensive Star Wars film until Star Wars Force

[00:30:20] Awakens in 2015 and that one had an estimated budget of 200 million lots of money but it

[00:30:26] was a disappointment essentially in the box office but we do have to look at that time period it

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[00:31:33] and we're back and we're going to talk about cast and crew Maria you want to tell us a little bit

[00:31:39] about who was in the running with your beloved Hayden Christensen for the role I'm actually

[00:31:44] like yeah finding this out was actually really shocking to me but we have I'm in

[00:31:48] the Philippines Nisha Collins Paul Walker Carl Hanks Christian Bale Heath Ledger James Van Der

[00:31:54] who is Dawson's Creek and then Joshua Jackson what I would have died if Joshua Jackson was

[00:32:02] Anakin Skywalker.

[00:32:15] Which I'm very shocked that he did not get it to be honest with you John's

[00:32:19] audition even at that time yes even at the time because when he did Romeo and Juliet he was like

[00:32:26] 21 oh I guess that was a lot earlier than that was 96 yeah so he was too he was too old but

[00:32:33] Eric Von Denton I can't that greasy hair that you can't get over that boy had a toe

[00:32:40] called it on his dizzy drawl to say he did but he was no Anakin Skywalker but he's Heath

[00:32:46] Ledger Brian Philippi these are like Christian Bale these are they were all too old but they had

[00:32:54] and this is no knock on Hayden because I do think he in not in this role but in other roles he

[00:33:01] he acts well but I feel like he has more of a dramatic character niche where like I felt

[00:33:09] like if Anakin had a little bit of swagger a little bit of like Heath Ledger and 10 things

[00:33:14] I hate about you like it would have elevated the character so much more and then Padme had a reason

[00:33:22] yeah so I so this is my thing about like Hayden because I will admit that I don't think

[00:33:27] because I do love the guy but anyways he auditioned and like this is like one of

[00:33:31] my favorite things that Hayden always says like he always talks about him getting the role

[00:33:35] he was like like in with his roommate he was like 20 years old this is just like a fun fact

[00:33:40] about him because I know fun facts but he got the role and then like him and his roommate had

[00:33:46] like a like a lightsaber fight as soon as he found out that he was Anakin Skywalker which is

[00:33:51] like the cutest thing ever I love keeping that Hayden is just like a giant nerd and I think

[00:33:56] that's why it worked for him but I think Hayden plays villains very well and I think the

[00:34:01] problem with his casting is that everyone always looks like oh he's really hot that's

[00:34:05] making him like rom-com the love interest I think every time he's a douchebag bad guy

[00:34:10] he plays it better like yeah like except for like maybe Christian Bale do I see and I guess

[00:34:16] Keith Ledger now because of Joker do I see a lot of villains in this list and I think Hayden

[00:34:22] does better as a villain or emo villain and that's why he plays Darth Vader well

[00:34:29] Meisha Collins was so unknown by that I honestly I don't think he would have done a bad job

[00:34:36] he was unknown but he was cute enough yeah Meisha Collins at that time was like not

[00:34:42] known at all I don't think I knew him at that time yeah no I definitely didn't but Jonathan

[00:34:47] Brandis that breaks my heart like doesn't even make sense because like what year did he pass

[00:34:53] yeah that's true this was this was very early this was for Attack of the Cones he died in

[00:35:00] November of 2003 oh okay but when did they shoot this because there's so much CGI they had to

[00:35:08] have shot it like two or three years prior to it coming out and it only came out two years

[00:35:15] after Phantom Menace so I think they probably shot them back to back and then George Lucas

[00:35:22] just sat and edited for quite a bit of time I don't I don't know but it took him a long

[00:35:29] time to write this film because Phantom Menace like I was saying was not received well

[00:35:34] it made him really slow to writing this he didn't finish the rough draft of the script

[00:35:40] three months before shooting began that is insane like and you know that they didn't get those

[00:35:46] scripts very easily but to wait that long before rehearsals and stuff that that's a lot

[00:35:53] and after doing a couple drafts he realized that he needed help so he brought in Jonathan

[00:35:58] Hales to help him with the third and final draft and it's you know obviously he got

[00:36:02] a credit for the screenplay on that it was unexpected because he hadn't had a screenplay

[00:36:09] credit since 1981 which was like on one of the Indian Jones movies so Carrie Fisher it does list

[00:36:15] Attack of the Clones as one of her ghost writing I then then the only thing I could say is

[00:36:21] god knows what Garbage Pilot was before she was able to make this part happen then because

[00:36:28] I just can't see it yeah because like they gave her enough like they gave like

[00:36:34] like the scene that gets me is the sand scene and I know like it just I know this is a good

[00:36:40] joke because like he's literally just talking about sand after she's like literally dressed

[00:36:44] in her best outfit ever backless like with gorgeous fit and she's just like she's just

[00:36:50] staring at him that's it she's just staring at him and I'm like Carrie could you have

[00:36:56] given her something like it's just because he's hot and he's a Jedi if they had a sex

[00:37:02] scene I think I would have believed all of this if he just swung the dick real quick one time

[00:37:11] I would have said she was hypnotized it's a kids movie Danielle all right maybe it's a kids movie

[00:37:16] the fact that Attack of the Clones is actually one of the most confusing movies because I

[00:37:19] don't forget that I don't understand what Obi-Wan is doing the whole time

[00:37:23] he just wandering around the galaxy looking for stuff

[00:37:29] like I okay the scene in which Obi-Wan goes and finds out that there's this planet and it's not

[00:37:37] in the Jedi archives he goes to the wise 20 minutes to talk about that by the way right

[00:37:46] yeah it goes to the wisest person the wisest person said you know what let these younglings

[00:37:53] tell you what to do so he says kids if there's a planet and it's not in the archive

[00:38:01] what that mean one of the younglings says well that means somebody took it out of the

[00:38:07] archives hello why you needed to come and make a fool of yourself with that shit I was like

[00:38:14] you wasted your time from younglings time Yoda's time and my fucking time with this bullshit

[00:38:21] it's a testimony to the fact that this movie is made for kids yes like that's what I knew

[00:38:25] like this is from movie frigates like the fact that the kids are answering the question

[00:38:31] like it felt like blues clues adora like where should we look for the planet

[00:38:40] it was removed from the archives

[00:38:48] I think like I love that you can make McGregor is like such a good sport by these movies but

[00:38:53] low-key probably just like I hate my life he's also a cheater maybe that's the name of the

[00:39:00] movie so I knew Keira Knightley played one of the doppelgangers for Padme in this movie

[00:39:07] in the first movie yeah but when I was watching I said hey it's Rose Byrne and my sister

[00:39:17] my sister was like who what are you talking about I got so excited I have like six pictures

[00:39:24] in my phone right now of me watching the movie and just take try to fight and get her like

[00:39:30] you're doing great sweetie I was so excited for her she has one line just like are you okay

[00:39:37] senator and you're like go you go girl I love this for you you're so blank cocoa

[00:39:45] I literally was like is that is that Rose Byrne and then I immediately IMDB

[00:39:52] she literally just stands there and just does nothing

[00:39:56] and I'm like I love this for you like go off do nothing just be pretty good for you

[00:40:03] I had no idea that was like one of her first films that she was in that it was like well

[00:40:07] it's not one of her first because I think she did something some other things before but

[00:40:12] she was like bigger yeah Rose Byrne is one of the most underrated actresses and the woman can

[00:40:20] do everything she should comedian she's a comedian like she should be in so like she

[00:40:27] should be winning oscars because she can do drama she can do comedy she can do tv she

[00:40:33] could do movie like literally a chameleon she's such a great actress so underrated

[00:40:39] I bet she knows the tea about Hayden and Natalie dating on this movie oh they definitely

[00:40:45] kidding me are you kidding me they had so much chemistry they definitely did

[00:40:51] he always like smiles so sweetly whenever he talks about Natalie too just saying well I think

[00:40:57] it's crazy I had no idea that it under hush hush that members of NSYNC had been giving a

[00:41:05] cameo appearance because of George Lucas's daughter and they shot the cameo but he then

[00:41:12] decided to cut them out of the movie they could be seen briefly in a crowd shot I actually think

[00:41:18] that's better like one of the things about Star Wars is that you're very much in the world no

[00:41:24] matter how big the celebrity like you have celebrities in it but it's never one of those

[00:41:28] like you know it would have taken us out of the movie tiny head from a kid in King Arthur's

[00:41:36] Daniel Craig yeah played a stormtrooper in one of the newer ones oh I didn't realize yeah he plays

[00:41:43] one of the stormtroopers that brings or no uh the one that uh Ray does the Jedi mind trick

[00:41:51] on to get out of her restraints that's Daniel Craig as a stormtrooper didn't know that

[00:41:57] it just reminds me of like Ed Sheeran being in the last season of Game of Thrones

[00:42:01] I think you like why okay and he's saying and it's like that's a sure it

[00:42:10] it just takes you out like I just don't think you should do it unless it's one of like a

[00:42:16] Spice World situation where you're just gonna have cameos on top of cameos but not in one

[00:42:20] of these fantasy movies where it will take you out of it so and like you said Maria this is

[00:42:27] the first star wars film in which Yoda is actually entirely computer generated and we get

[00:42:35] that fight sequence because in the previous movies with the puppets they weren't able to

[00:42:40] get the Yoda puppet to hold on to a lightsaber that's why we never saw a lightsaber fight

[00:42:45] with him previously which is which makes but I also really do love the even McGregor well

[00:42:51] Obi-Wan Kenobi fight sequence at that time because it's so ironic I will say a little

[00:42:56] of the prequels the fight sequences are great that's what I'm telling you they should have

[00:43:00] stayed in their bag that's what they're good at that's what they know how to do

[00:43:04] it's beautiful sequences great action fights and not dialogue right the dialogue we don't

[00:43:11] need it I'm not asking for that we don't need it like we're we never asked for it like

[00:43:16] even with Hayden and like I think with you and too like they really committed to the fight

[00:43:21] sequences and I think that's where they shined at and like we see that with you in a lot

[00:43:26] like he does fight sequences great and then like as Hayden grows up he does fight sequences

[00:43:31] great even Natalie whenever she was in her action bag she did great like they should

[00:43:36] just like leaned into it more I know that they had to kind of set up a love sequence but

[00:43:40] like the whole like you like Obi-Wan's like side quest with like the younglings and like

[00:43:47] the most confusing clone war droid plotline ever like we didn't need it he could have just

[00:43:54] fought people we would have been happy like he didn't see like he did their movie they could

[00:43:59] have just mentioned that Obi-Wan went to this planet and figured out they were clone in both

[00:44:05] Django Fett like that's all we needed yeah yeah I was trying to explain Boba Fett to my sister

[00:44:13] and I said you know what don't worry about it he's a little boy in this movie don't worry

[00:44:17] about it just like it doesn't even come up again unfortunately like fully you know properly

[00:44:23] until his like show does you know yeah well I asked Ken about because I'm like okay so we see

[00:44:31] the little matrix baby clones but Boba Fett is already like a child and like so is he like

[00:44:41] first gen clone like what's going on with the Boba Fett situation he and Ken was like no

[00:44:47] Django Fett said in payment for him them using his DNA for all the clones

[00:44:52] he wanted a son which was a true clone no sped up growth process or anything and so that

[00:44:59] is Boba Fett yeah and also they with the clones they were kind of dampering any kind of aggression

[00:45:08] or anything like that so with this clone full aggression went while we get Boba Fett

[00:45:15] in his true glory in the movies what do you think people's obsession with the character

[00:45:20] of Boba Fett is like he I mean obviously he has a presence in the the first in the first movie

[00:45:29] first three movies but like people really loved that character so much that I think it's robot

[00:45:36] chicken like I think it's just the like spooks of him yeah I think it's the jet pack who

[00:45:48] doesn't want a jet pack yeah very valid I think is just you know what it is I think the OG trilogy

[00:45:55] set it up that you could be anyone and like everyone just ran with it and like

[00:46:00] that's why they ran with Boba Fett and the jet pack it was so funny because what I thought

[00:46:07] about when I saw this next fun fact was can hardly wait and hardly wait so Christopher

[00:46:15] had originally been offered the role of grandma Tarkin in Star Wars but he turned it down his

[00:46:21] friend Peter Cushing got the role but Lee came to regret this decision and he did not let up the

[00:46:27] opportunity passing by when he got his second chance and so he agreed to play Count Dooku

[00:46:34] and I was like oh okay that's cool but grandma Tarkin the size of Star Wars film why is that

[00:46:43] why is that it both kiss and it was because of the scene at care Harley was

[00:46:52] oh love that movie okay so the movie starts with an assassination attempt on senator Padme

[00:46:59] those wormy things I was like are they going in her ears because I am not down with them

[00:47:05] they're huge they were huge and they knew things like they knew that R2 was looking around

[00:47:13] that like they hid like they were very smart wormy things and I was not about it

[00:47:20] wait before we even were thinking about how awkward Obi-Wan felt whenever hated was

[00:47:25] just like you've grown up beautiful I know we won't just stand and go like pulling his thumb

[00:47:29] like I know bad for Obi-Wan in this movie so much I think I made a subplot in my head

[00:47:36] about this movie and then whenever you watch it I was like well where are these parts

[00:47:41] in my subplot I thought this was a love triangle thank you well probably

[00:47:50] I hear this all the time yeah there probably because of the Luke Leia Han

[00:47:55] from the first movie so I think your brain subconsciously I think it's a third movie

[00:48:02] yeah I think it's when he starts losing his shit and he's like you guys are plotting against

[00:48:07] me you want to be with each other like he started I feel like he starts projecting

[00:48:12] shit I don't know at the end whenever Obi-Wan says like I care about her too I can't actually

[00:48:17] remember the words but he said something where he like gets where Anakin's coming from I think

[00:48:22] it's just because Ewan McGregor like it's just because he's like standing there he's Ewan McGregor

[00:48:26] and it's very clear that like the thing I get like it Hayden's a very much a teenager in this

[00:48:31] so it's very hard to see him as a lot of interest but like because Ewan McGregor is right

[00:48:34] there yeah it's very fair for everyone to be like why would Padme go for him when Ewan

[00:48:38] McGregor is right there but Ewan McGregor was like well Obi-Wan wasn't paying any

[00:48:44] attention to her in that way whatsoever but I think the storyline would have been more

[00:48:49] interesting had they made it some sort of love triangle like forbidden love situation especially

[00:48:57] after she gets pregnant and he is like going ape shit this is where the women's touch needed

[00:49:02] they need to touch in this moment for sure 100% and the amount of times Anakin yells

[00:49:09] he's like a father to me and like we get it Anakin 100% we get it you have daddy issues

[00:49:18] so he has such a daddy issue I cannot I cannot I cannot defend him in this movie it's so hard to

[00:49:27] so yeah the wormy thing but then because Ewan Obi-Wan and Anakin are protecting her they like

[00:49:36] see that there is an assassination attempt so Anakin balls out immediately jumps finds a

[00:49:45] speeder is just jumping out of windows chasing people we get to see a little of his speeder

[00:49:53] skills from the first movie and Obi-Wan's just like please don't kill me

[00:50:01] I thought like one of the things my sister said is when they ran into when they ran into

[00:50:07] the room Anakin jumps on her bed right yeah that bitch don't move she does not get up until

[00:50:17] something else happened I think they like killed the worm or what or something

[00:50:21] he like savers the word right and that's when she's like hello what's going on

[00:50:29] you didn't feel that man jump on your bed what kind of mattress is this

[00:50:33] no I think they're talking so loudly outside of her bed

[00:50:39] hear it they're literally outside your room yelling you know she had that she had that

[00:50:44] blue milk before bed and she just passed out no she she's gonna sleep through everything I

[00:50:50] wouldn't I'd be listening in I've been listening the whole time hearing Anakin's dreams about

[00:50:55] his mom like I don't know you could even wait your mother tell me more right she could

[00:51:01] hear when he's having a nightmare but didn't hear all that loud talking she must have just

[00:51:06] had a bad day I don't know and when they get into the speedsters then they start whatever

[00:51:12] I was confused I was like what's happening I thought it was a worm

[00:51:18] they were chasing after the person that put the worm in the room or sent the droid that

[00:51:25] put the worm in the room because I was so confused because like Anakin like took it upon himself

[00:51:32] to like find the guy that was like kind of assassinating when they weren't even supposed

[00:51:36] to do it so like that was excessive that was like too much for sure like yeah my thing is

[00:51:41] like Obi-Wan really jumps out the window and just like he's like all this droid

[00:51:46] it was

[00:51:54] remind me of the fifth element this yes yes yes and then they they finally catch up with the

[00:52:04] I don't even remember what they call her um yes she was a changeling but she was also hired

[00:52:13] by a bounty hunter they find out yes because she tries to shoot Obi-Wan but he knows he

[00:52:19] knows she's coming and so he he shoots first and as she lays dying they're trying to get

[00:52:26] information from her and as she's about to like reveal all the information she's shot with a

[00:52:31] dart and they vaguely see a Mandalorian like run out of the room and Obi-Wan takes the dart

[00:52:41] and goes to his friend's diner for him to identify because none of the archives

[00:52:47] can identify what this dart is that's just so random thing for him to do his diner

[00:52:53] yeah like yeah you know he got friends in low places Obi-Wan

[00:53:01] then he goes to the younglings and stuff like you know right first of all I need

[00:53:06] I need alerts I need a virus protector for these Jedi archives because there's a lot

[00:53:13] gone missing what is it McAvee y'all need McAvee like where's the cookies here like he has

[00:53:21] what do you mean you deleted it so like right but only a Jedi can delete it

[00:53:28] don't it's so 2000 like this is literally 2000s technology you're trying to be like

[00:53:34] advanced space now but I love that he's just like but my friend told me that there's a planet

[00:53:43] and and Yoda's like bitch if you don't go fly there and see if you see the planet and get

[00:53:49] the fuck out of my face like I'm teaching you right you see the gravity is pulling

[00:53:55] that you are telling me all the goddamn context clues it's like where in the world is Carmen

[00:54:00] San Diego okay she has the Parthenon where does it live he like a like he interrupted their lesson

[00:54:13] as like a young child's lessons to talk to him about it's like every rom-com ever where

[00:54:22] the like boyfriend runs into the teacher's room and has like a 15 minute conversation with her

[00:54:29] and the children have to explain to him like oh no when you love someone you just like go

[00:54:33] to the airport and fight for that when you love a planet when you need to find a planet

[00:54:38] you just go to the coordinates and then you look for it I just feel like we didn't need

[00:54:44] that I don't know much about space we know nothing we could have found this planet though

[00:54:55] but I know if there are things orbiting something there has to be some sort of

[00:55:00] gravitational force in the middle even if it isn't showing up in the archives like

[00:55:06] that much I know that's like that's fourth grade you know physics right there I've been to the

[00:55:14] planetarium they told me that yeah we all we know that I don't know I'm terrible at physics

[00:55:22] but I at least know that there's a gravitational pull yes and that means that something is there

[00:55:27] exactly like I don't need to be a space wizard

[00:55:34] after they find out the the the stitch at the diner they go to the club I mean the bar

[00:55:41] I believe the okay I understand what the point of the whole club scene is because it's

[00:55:46] supposed to be like it's very much to like the OG told you whatever they had the club

[00:55:51] but that that club scene is ridiculous it's the most embarrassing club scene I've ever seen

[00:55:58] in a star wars movie was it death sticks well cigarettes yeah which is so funny because

[00:56:05] Hayden is like a big fan of cigarettes to hide his holotosis it's probably contributing

[00:56:11] to the how you know what let me apologize I'm sorry because holotosis is a real thing you

[00:56:17] can't control it and I apologize for any of our listeners who are experiencing

[00:56:24] there you go sorry ex med student so I apologize I'm just not I should make fun of him sorry

[00:56:33] and I only bring it up because like every fandom person's like oh he smokes death sticks I'm

[00:56:37] like no he smokes cigarettes so it's not be that late like

[00:56:43] so Obi-Wan goes off on his journey journey to find Kamino and finds out that there's a

[00:56:50] secret clone army commissioned by some guy Sifo Dias who got killed in the first movie this was

[00:57:04] complicated way to explain this yes yeah I was lost Obi-Wan just kind of wander around with the

[00:57:12] tall skinny people from Lilo & Stitch

[00:57:14] it is they are from Lilo & Stitch

[00:57:25] Grand Council Woman is apparently from Kamino

[00:57:30] no they got that from Lilo & Stitch

[00:57:35] oh man and so he's just wandering around and he's like oh that that bounty hunter looks

[00:57:43] suspicious and so there is much fighting with Jango Fett as Obi-Wan just wanders around this

[00:57:50] very rainy planet I like their fight scene it's it's you know very hand to hand kind of thing

[00:57:58] not just with the lightsabers it was a little rough and tough which is on par with a fit

[00:58:06] Obi-Wan fighting is great yeah like when they don't have Obi-Wan fight

[00:58:10] yeah I like I don't really understand this scene I'm gonna be honest with you I don't get it

[00:58:17] I don't understand what the Lilo & Stitch lady is there for I don't really understand the purpose

[00:58:21] but I like the fight scene yeah that's literally it yeah and then meanwhile on Naboo

[00:58:29] Obi-Wan has told Anakin you need to watch Padme she needs to leave the Senate for now

[00:58:36] and so this was another part that had to be explained to me I'm like okay so she just

[00:58:41] put Jar Jar in charge like why is Jar Jar there and Ken's like well each planet has like their

[00:58:49] little council and there's a spokesperson so Padme was the spokesperson as the senator

[00:58:56] but when she left Jar Jar was also in that council and so he became the representative

[00:59:02] and the way he got played yeah easily the that rolls into the other fan theory that Jar Jar is

[00:59:12] the Sith and was in on it the whole time and then there's also this idea that like

[00:59:19] Palpatine always wanted Anakin to be the bodyguard of like Padme so that they would

[00:59:25] have that relationship so like I feel like everything in Attack of Clones there's just

[00:59:29] much lore in fan theory that makes the movie make more sense than the actual events make sense

[00:59:36] yes and I do I do feel like that fan theory is more less convoluted than all the other ones

[00:59:43] where yeah because he doesn't you already see in the movie that he sets it up because

[00:59:49] Anakin has not had his own assignment yet and I think that has a lot to do with

[00:59:55] with Obi-Wan still thinking he needed more time but also I think in the back of his head hearing

[01:00:01] what his mentor was saying that there is confusion about whether Anakin is going to be

[01:00:12] the chosen one yeah deliverer of good or evil or like you know they're still

[01:00:18] you can't put your finger on it even for Yoda I want to point out that Padme called

[01:00:24] it in the beginning like in the first five minutes of this movie Padme is like town duco

[01:00:30] why are we checking up on him yeah let's listen to you they're like let's ignore you I find

[01:00:36] like you know Anakin Skywalker who's been obsessed with you for 10 years and make him

[01:00:39] your like you know bodyguard and like you know make the Beyonce soundtrack very relevant right

[01:00:44] now but just say like literally Padme calls it like I just feel like it's so there

[01:00:50] but everyone just ignores like the obvious signs of like but I think it's a good analogy to

[01:00:57] what happened like the jedis became I don't want to say complacent but they

[01:01:05] they had a lot of blind spots yeah I thought they had it unlocked right and

[01:01:11] and this is why I'm not a fan of jedis because I feel like the jedis got too political

[01:01:16] and that became made them complacent because of like oh we're going to be like even with Anakin

[01:01:20] being like we should find the people who are threatening Padme versus like everyone being like

[01:01:25] no we're just supposed to protect her like he's like but we're aren't we supposed to be the

[01:01:29] ones that's supposed to stop throughout from happening like I think the Jedi lost their way too

[01:01:34] and that this is getting into like the whole Star Wars theory of like I think actually Anakin

[01:01:38] does bring balance because he goes back to the original ideas of what the Jedi and the

[01:01:42] that they're supposed to be but it's kind of similar to the Avatar how involved does the

[01:01:49] Avatar get in these situations what is the role of the Avatar and can the role of the Avatar

[01:01:56] evolve over time because things change the way that the old they were so set in the old ways

[01:02:03] and and it's funny because as wise as Yoda is I think it's almost like for me Yoda looks like

[01:02:11] he sees all this shit like he knows everything that's going to happen but he knows it has to

[01:02:17] happen for that balance to happen so it's like because you look at Yoda you're like he's too

[01:02:23] damn smart to not see all this shit happening like why is he kind of letting it happen

[01:02:29] do you think he knew what was going to happen I think he could infer like I think he's been

[01:02:36] around enough I think he started to see some of the signs and I think he could infer that

[01:02:41] yeah this is probably what's going to happen but you know what I don't think my role

[01:02:47] is to do anything which is which is truly the Jedi way when you think about it so it makes

[01:02:51] sense and like I actually like when I was doing this rewatch I saw that too I'm like

[01:02:55] I think Yoda does know that this is inevitable because he is the one that was just like

[01:02:59] well your your padawan should watch Padme and Obi-Wan you should stop

[01:03:03] and like they never separate padawan and master they did in the scene so like I started to see

[01:03:08] that with Obi-Wan and Yoda as well sure yeah I think they all had a part to play in this

[01:03:14] because also then the fact that Yoda even gets the clones in the first place later down

[01:03:20] the line I always found that to be real suspicious and that's what he gets the

[01:03:26] he gets the he's on the storm troopers on the yeah but there's no

[01:03:33] well no Tinkley at this time they are are they yeah Tinkley at this time they are the same thing

[01:03:40] okay that's why it's confusing because why are they babies in the other place they're babies

[01:03:46] there's children and then they were full adults in that place they're like accelerated clones at

[01:03:52] that moment so like this is why this is why this movie is so confusing because you're like

[01:03:56] those are stormtroopers but they call them clones and they're not the bad guys the

[01:04:01] droids are at the time so back to Anakin and Padme at Naboo so I like how like

[01:04:09] the Jedi aren't supposed to have relationships they're not supposed to fall in love and

[01:04:13] get married and Anakin's like no I think like I can't even remember what word he is

[01:04:19] attachments it's very avatar which is it's very avatar yes but he was like arguing that

[01:04:26] the passion and the commitment are actually like in line with the Jedi teachings

[01:04:34] and that's what true love is I understand why they kind of would want because like

[01:04:40] the thing is it's almost like you have to dedicate yourself and the force and being a

[01:04:46] Jedi is the number one thing when you have family you're like nah I gotta go deal with my

[01:04:53] family just like where he has that moment where Padme falls off of the ship into the sand and

[01:04:58] he's like fuck my mission I'm gonna go my lady just fell so I could see it trying them

[01:05:05] trying to avoid being torn but it's also just unrealistic and I think we almost so like so

[01:05:15] this Jedi decree is very close to like Sikhism as a religion which they also believe in not having

[01:05:20] attachments even Islam doesn't talk about like having attachments like you have your family but

[01:05:25] you have to accept the fact that when you go to the afterlife like you will not have these

[01:05:28] attachments which I feel like all like major religions can like relate to that like

[01:05:32] whenever you die alone you're you're born alone you die alone mentality and like that's where

[01:05:37] the Jedi mentality comes from and that's why we see these themes overlap with things like

[01:05:41] the avatar as well and like you know being able to channel that but like I think they

[01:05:46] misunderstand like it's kind of like Anakin saying that like no like me feeling that love is why

[01:05:52] I should tell people I think it's just I think it's a selfish need and I think we see this more

[01:05:57] in like book three with like reg of the Sith where like he is ready to like essentially we see

[01:06:03] this in him with his mother and how he like commits revenge with like the sand people

[01:06:08] with you know we should question Padme just be like okay you killed a bunch of people

[01:06:15] really people it's fine yeah but like this is where it gets like kind of questionable

[01:06:21] like oh you can you should you can form attachments in the sense of love and not

[01:06:25] revenge essentially so like I think that's what they're trying to say like I do understand

[01:06:30] what the Jedi are coming from but at the same time it's just like I think they're trying

[01:06:32] to show that like Anakin does not have healthy attachments unfortunately because he doesn't know

[01:06:37] how to have healthy relationships now while Anakin and Padme are are thirsting on each other

[01:06:46] Obi-Wan then has to go to Genesis and he's investigating the Separatist plot and is captured

[01:06:54] by the insectoid Genosians those are the wing guys and that's when we find out they're

[01:07:00] making the droid army right and how great this and Joku we do this is what we need

[01:07:08] Kanjoku right yeah Doku Doku we hear him plotting that he's been the one behind trying to

[01:07:16] hurt Padme or kill her learn that he's doing it for someone else like some deal yes and so

[01:07:24] Obi-Wan sends out a distress signal yeah on the rain yeah and Anakin and Padme follow his trail to

[01:07:34] genosis genesis I don't know right because the Jedi can't counsel tell them

[01:07:41] do not go didn't they tell him tell them not to go help Obi-Wan and this is also what

[01:07:49] Anakin goes back to his Tatooine right like yeah this is like solo mission in between all this

[01:07:55] it's like Obi-Wan's like wait why aren't they in the boo and they're like surprise we're

[01:07:59] Tatooine looking for Anakin's mom and Anakin meets his stepbrother and we see Joel what's

[01:08:06] his name Uncle Owen yeah we see yeah we see we see Joel Edgar Edgerton like young Joel

[01:08:11] Edgerton who comes back and like Obi-Wan in you know kind of like reoccurring world in

[01:08:16] star wars so hello in an amperu and then we meet his stepdad who's like the Tusken Raiders took

[01:08:25] Shmi right she's been gone for a month and so Anakin goes to look for her finds her

[01:08:32] and then she's just like Anakin hi and then dies the way like for this being a kid's movie

[01:08:41] the way in which he found her like she's like tied up almost like a cross situation

[01:08:46] and you could tell like her back is all fucked up like they've been slashing her yeah it's just

[01:08:52] very unsettling yeah and then he she she tries to say I love you and she dies and then

[01:09:01] he goes ape shit and he murders everybody and when he comes back and like we said he

[01:09:08] tells Padme she's like I rolled up into that bitch real quick I saw my mama dead and I

[01:09:13] shot up the bitch and I killed children and mothers and she was like word I'm gonna stand

[01:09:22] beside if that's my family treated them like the animals they were yeah my sister said

[01:09:30] wait a minute she has babies with this man I said yes she does my thing is like up until

[01:09:36] now like he is trying to be kissed he like professes his love like I am haunted by the

[01:09:41] kiss that you gave me she's like we can't do this and then she hears him talk about

[01:09:46] he killed my people and she's like I'm gonna stand beside him I'm like standing beside him

[01:09:50] 10 minutes ago what do you mean now like yes you should be calling for his arrest

[01:09:57] you even have to follow him here she chose to be there with him right he said he was he

[01:10:03] was actually Padme is a part of his destruction because she likes him I see she likes the messy

[01:10:09] I'm telling you she's bored she's bored when they're said in her life she the curly haired guy

[01:10:15] that like he was too safe she wants Anakin yeah I get it girl did you get it so don't blame her

[01:10:22] uh and this is when Anakin also starts to unravel he's like

[01:10:26] like

[01:10:28] manifested this grudge in his head against Obi-Wan and thinks Obi-Wan's holding him back

[01:10:36] yeah and like he just starts to get real in his head about things

[01:10:40] real quick and then at the same time back at the senate they're staging this coup where they

[01:10:47] want to nominate a chancellor aka dictator right in the senate and they're like yeah and

[01:10:54] they're like who who should we we need a senator to nominate us oh Jar Jar come here real quick

[01:11:01] we got a job for you well the thing that they do is they're like oh man I wish a senator

[01:11:08] Adala was here because she's the only one who would be who would be strong enough to to

[01:11:15] nominate such a radical idea man if only Padme was here yeah like I think that I shall do it

[01:11:25] you know like the fan theory holds up like it really does make sense it really does

[01:11:33] he's like oh I got you yeah so now Palpatine is the chancellor and is in charge of all of the

[01:11:41] decisions the chancellor thing which I thought was really interesting was that when the senate

[01:11:47] votes to give supreme chancellor sweeping emergency powers to go to war against the

[01:11:51] separatist force this is the same ploy that's gonna say Adam the ploy that Hitler used to

[01:11:57] gain the same dictate or similar dictator dictatorship power in the mid 1930s Germany

[01:12:05] I didn't know that actually so I the reason I find that interesting is the fact is

[01:12:10] interesting itself but it's because all the fanboys always talk about how woke the newer

[01:12:16] star wars movies are and I'm like star wars has always been woke there's always been politics

[01:12:21] this is a political drama for god's sake that it's always been this way like it's always been

[01:12:26] about fascism space what like yeah so now we get this weird arena battle they Obi-Wan

[01:12:34] has to narvel the Garthok and then there's this weird praying mantis thing that also is

[01:12:39] attacking them and oh Amidala just randomly has a key because I didn't see where she got the key

[01:12:45] from it was just like it's like a pan or something yeah like she just like climbs the

[01:12:51] pole like an effortless lift but in fact Anakin sorry Anakin has a connection to animals

[01:12:57] they don't talk about this in the movie but like he can talk to animals and that's why he's

[01:13:01] able to control that rhino thingy that he ends up controlling I just thought he's the force

[01:13:06] yeah yeah he's so special power has special training like special skills that's why he is

[01:13:12] Anakin Skywalker and one of them is that he has a connection to animals that's why they kind of

[01:13:16] they kind of show it in the movie but not really because like more than one metal parcel

[01:13:21] tongue that was just good yeah no he's basically parcel yeah but like parcels hung

[01:13:27] where the animals are your more than snakes but like that's what that picnic scene happened

[01:13:31] where like he was like playing with that other armadillo thing yeah yeah how'd you feel about

[01:13:38] that danielle he didn't roll up and look all yeah like scaly looking so I was fine with it

[01:13:47] and we get the i've got a bad feeling about this line said by Anakin as they're like

[01:13:53] chained to the post to be sacrificed to these giant animals but then not sure the fact that

[01:14:01] like padme's was like oh I love you for this by the way so random and then all the Jedi show up

[01:14:13] and Yoda has the storm troopers and then they have the robots and then it's confusing for a

[01:14:22] moment like you know you're on the side of the people with the glowing light sticks like

[01:14:27] that's all you know in this scene yeah and then it's like then dooku turns

[01:14:35] on the the jedis and then you're like oh he was behind it the whole time yeah in this scene

[01:14:44] it's revealed that samuel a jackson's character has that purple lightsaber uh-huh and I find it

[01:14:50] very interesting that the way he he was like I want to identify myself in this scene because

[01:14:56] there's so much going on so he says to george lucas hey can I get a pipe a purple lightsaber

[01:15:03] and george lucas is like well nah it's blue or green my bro and he was like yeah but I want

[01:15:10] a purple one I always wondered how he got purple so like he just asked for it yeah

[01:15:17] he just asked for it because no one else has it it's literally like a mace would do thing

[01:15:22] which is so cool and george lucas is like I'll think about it and so samuel jackson didn't know

[01:15:29] if it was gonna happen or not until he saw the movie so I thought that was really cool got it

[01:15:37] it's really cool actually so ken also said that george lucas finally like gave in because

[01:15:45] he was afraid to tell samuel jackson as he should as he should like how do you get samuel

[01:15:52] jackson for your movies and not let him have a purple lightsaber right you just let him do

[01:15:56] what he can do let him be and a lightsaber that's engraved with bad mother fucker

[01:16:03] yeah like come on that's what dreams are made out of really truly so this is the first battle

[01:16:12] of the clone wars everyone is taken aside then there's the newly revealed clone army

[01:16:18] to fight against the separatist forces and then that kind of becomes the galaxy wide conflict

[01:16:26] actually the separatists become the rebels and then the republic becomes the empire

[01:16:33] and we get a epic fight scene with yoda and I just want to call him dookie but that's not

[01:16:41] his name how do you go yes it's so close it's so close it is I'm gonna say like Anakin loses

[01:16:49] his hand which is really cute too like how Luke loses his hand yeah yes my sister really was

[01:16:55] panicking when he got his hand arm stuck in that machine with the droids she got because

[01:17:02] that was foreshadowing that his arm was gonna get cut off I was like not yet but the way

[01:17:08] that he got knocked the fuck out and his arm was gone yeah you know what else they

[01:17:13] put a shadow a lot him losing a lightsaber they did that a lot in this movie and I just like

[01:17:19] I get that like he's supposed to lose the lightsaber as when he comes like you know

[01:17:22] Darth Vader but like I don't know they did there's some weird foreshadowing in this movie

[01:17:27] it is a little too on the nose about it but the funny thing is originally in this fight

[01:17:33] sequence with Yoda and Count Dookie they were I had to like now it's stuck in my head yoda was

[01:17:42] actually supposed to come in and immediately have the fight with him but the creative team

[01:17:49] felt that was going to be too quick of a transition for Yoda so and the audience felt

[01:17:54] like they needed to feel the power of good and evil going against each other so George

[01:17:59] Lucas added in the preamble to the fight which is like them throwing the blue lightning and the

[01:18:05] rocks falling and all that other stuff and it's also really hilarious because Christopher Lee

[01:18:13] when he was shooting this scene because this is green screen and there you know there's not

[01:18:17] the Yoda puppet they actually made like this fake puppet or this fake Yoda with Fang as kind

[01:18:26] of like what we can assume is a joke because of one of his first earlier roles.

[01:18:32] Count Dracula the horror of Dracula from 1928?

[01:18:35] Yes which I really wish I could find a picture of that because that seems like it would be

[01:18:41] hilarious. Yeah so and like that's like something with Hayden too that he like loved

[01:18:46] shooting it but he just didn't like the green screen thing which like if you I will say

[01:18:49] that with the sequels is that everything or like at least like the newest shows with Disney

[01:18:54] and stuff that everything is special effects or like they have basically built a Star Wars world

[01:18:59] in the studios so like even you and McGregor and Obi-like and Hayden when they came back they're

[01:19:04] like it's so cool that we're like literally in Star Wars now whenever we were doing it with

[01:19:09] the people with everything was green screen so like they hated it then but they made it work

[01:19:13] for like as adults like ever you know 20 years later doing it now they're like wow this is

[01:19:19] so different and honestly I couldn't imagine like can I like imagine trying to act and everything

[01:19:25] was green screen in these movies don't wonder they had such a hard time. Yeah I think that's

[01:19:30] one of the complaints a lot of the Marvel cast has about some of those movies and speaking of

[01:19:36] Hayden that's why he really liked when they filmed that set at the bar or the club as I

[01:19:41] called it because it was an actual set instead of it just being the green screen. Yeah we

[01:19:48] also get Mace Windu decapitates Jango Fett which Boba Fett witnesses. Oh and Boba Fett watches yeah

[01:19:56] and that's what leads to everything yep yeah. And then Yoda proclaims the shroud of the dark

[01:20:02] side has fallen and begun the clone warhead. Like so did you know you were just waiting?

[01:20:09] That's what I'm telling you. Yeah it yeah I think he knew the whole time it just feels like

[01:20:15] it this whole time yeah. He knew what was gonna happen or something and then the last scene of

[01:20:21] the movie is oh by the way Anakin and Padme get married. Yeah it's just like it makes no sense

[01:20:32] that that's why I said a sex scene had to be in should have been in this movie

[01:20:36] because it would explain why she's obsessed if she had sex right before he went and killed all

[01:20:42] the sand people she still she would have been dignitized and then she finds out she's pregnant

[01:20:47] and so they have to get married. That is the only thing that would have made sense for me

[01:20:52] at this point. Dignitized yeah it's a children's movie but they couldn't do it but I want to

[01:20:57] assume I'm assuming I think I'm assuming stuff went down there's no way she's wearing a

[01:21:03] backless dress and nothing went down just saying right her outfit it's like let's

[01:21:08] okay okay she eats in her office in this movie maybe he eats as well and that's why

[01:21:15] she loved him it's the only thing there's no way nothing happened they're like on this little

[01:21:21] cute vacation together she wore dressing to the nines okay here's my synopsis of this movie

[01:21:29] fellas obi-wan gets sent on a rogue job from hell while

[01:21:40] Anakin and Padme go on vacation they go from seaside to sand dune in a matter of 24 hours

[01:21:50] and then it's marriage all the way baby in between fights and people die switching sides

[01:22:01] bugs coliseum riding bugs killing bugs flying bugs and did I mention vacation turns to marriage

[01:22:12] yeah that's no there's a reason why disney sells it as like how am i getting a full love

[01:22:18] because that's literally what was only happening that was it

[01:22:22] the only thing that made sense about this movie was the fact that they have terrible

[01:22:25] dialogue and they somehow still fell in love well that is attack of the clones

[01:22:35] apologies ken if you made it this far we we did as best as we could this

[01:22:42] oh I I very much was like this episode is going to be rough because I don't understand

[01:22:50] anything that's going on and I I feel like like we discussed in in our last star wars episode I

[01:22:58] have like a master's in star wars it's not like i'm uneducated about star this one just

[01:23:04] makes no sense no it truly doesn't yeah yeah Phantom Menace like it was a mess but it made

[01:23:11] sense like this one I'm I'm glad I I followed my intuition and did not go to see this movie

[01:23:23] when I came out look nobody has any expectations of me at all so

[01:23:29] I like the first three I love Han Solo I do like star wars I'm not remembering any names

[01:23:36] of planets people or places whatsoever but I couldn't even I couldn't even get on board

[01:23:44] with this shit like it's a ship that I'm not shipping the villain hasn't fully blossomed yet

[01:23:50] so that I can't excuse his behavior and there wasn't enough hot dudes in it for me

[01:23:57] yeah that's fair and I feel like after I watched this movie I had to move my underwear

[01:24:03] to the side because there was sand coming out that's how much fucking sand is in this movie

[01:24:10] this movie it's like truly one of those things where I'm just like why am I still

[01:24:13] watching star wars like it just it makes you question like why you do this I was wrong about

[01:24:21] the cameo Kaminoans being the Grand Councilwoman from Lilo and Stitch George Lucas actually said

[01:24:30] that this is an homage to his friend Steven Spielberg and his work on close encounters

[01:24:36] of the third kind no it's Lilo and Stitch so Boba Fett is 10 years old in this film

[01:24:43] so it implies that his time of birth or creation was during the events of star wars

[01:24:48] episode one due to the animosity aimed towards Jar Jar Binks in the Phantom Menace the working

[01:24:56] title of this movie was called Jar Jar's Big Adventure it was a big adventure

[01:25:05] he was going to be council meeting and everything apparently George Lucas's original idea for the

[01:25:11] Clone Wars was for everyone in the galaxy to be fighting their own clones George I need you

[01:25:18] take a nap I think I think it's time to wrap it up all right Maria why don't you tell everybody

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[01:26:09] for this sand dune all right maria we're gonna start with you same day

[01:26:19] eh so if I had to watch it for a reason like a podcast episode it'd be a same day rental

[01:26:25] and then I'd be like I'm done with that I'm showing a 2.5 like a 1.5 speed

[01:26:31] danielle how about you I'm gonna go with that I'm returning it the same day same day rental

[01:26:36] for me yeah thank you it took me three separate tries to get through this movie and

[01:26:43] I finished literally 15 minutes before the we started recording because I was just like

[01:26:49] I'm confused and I can't and I don't even want to take note like it was just not stellar but

[01:26:56] I do love star wars so there's that well if you have an opinion on attack of the clones

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[01:27:22] last summer as I was listening to the armageddon one and I was cracking up when they were asking

[01:27:27] talking to you about the end of the movie and how you reacted to it because I have such a

[01:27:32] vivid memory of all of us sitting in the living room watching the movie and the second it

[01:27:37] got emotional and intense you shot up in your seat and walked out the room like no words

[01:27:43] exchanged nothing you were just like I'm not here for this I'm out it was so good thank you

[01:27:51] thanks for listening with us

[01:27:55] I was very like I didn't like movies that made me sad or made me cry so when I saw

[01:28:01] the direction armageddon was going I was like and I'm out it's gonna end here for me

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[01:29:07] yeah well maria again thank you for joining us can't wait to have more fun with you the

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[01:29:21] I have so much fun thank you guys I know this movie was terrible but if I have to talk about

[01:29:25] this movie I'm glad we talked together about this movie yes they can all be winners and

[01:29:32] sometimes it's just as much fun to talk about we had good we had a good run with the other

[01:29:37] we did it was time we had to talk about it

[01:29:43] and as always may the force be with you be kind and rewind