Heartbreakers (2001)

[00:00:00] Get ready for cons, comedy, and a whole lot of charm. This week we're revisiting Heartbreakers, the stylish rom-com from 2001. Let's see if this early 2000s classic still steals our hearts. Welcome to the No More Late Fees podcast. I'm Jackie.

[00:00:28] And I'm Danielle, and we're just two best friends and ex-blockbuster employees re-watching some of the best and worst movies from the late 90s and early 2000s. This week we're going from mother-daughter scams to unexpected romance with 2001's Heartbreakers. But before we dive in, let's get into some housekeeping. Keeping. Like is this the barbershop quartet version?

[00:00:56] Housekeeping. Housekeeping. Housekeeping. I was like, wait a minute. Keeping it. If you love the podcast and you want to support us, here's a few ways that you can. If you love what you hear, help us out by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Your reviews help us grow and keep the nostalgia going. And don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode. We've got plenty more deep dives into your favorite Y2K movies coming up.

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[00:01:50] If you enjoy torturing him and loving him at the same time, then this is the episode for you. It's always good to be back. Hello, Jackie and Danielle. Hello. And everybody out there who keeps coming back for this shenanigans. I love that like a year and a half ago, you were like, when you do Heartbreakers,

[00:02:20] that's the movie I want to do. This was by request, which I love for us. I had honestly completely forgotten about that. I was just like, because we had just done Life Aquatic together. Then you like hit me. I was like, oh, by the way, Heartbreakers, when are you available? And I was like, wait, what? Oh, oh, let's go. Let's go. Well, and you have another one at the end of the year. Yeah. Yeah. It's.

[00:02:52] I cannot wait. So I think. Because I have a surprise for you for that one. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, God. Okay. I don't know what the surprise is. Oh, no. Oh. Great. I'm not going to sleep for like eight months. That is cool. I'm so excited.

[00:03:17] But I think by the time 2025 is done, you will have officially been the most featured guest on the No More But Leaves podcast. Yep. Ooh. Yeah. We don't have the money for five timers jackets, but maybe we'll send you like a nice friendship bracelet I can make or something. Yeah. I'll get one of these soccer rings. Yes.

[00:03:44] Well, if you want to learn more about Nick, check out his previous episodes of Monsters, Inc., Clerks, GoldenEye, and The Life of Quadric. Plus, you won't want to miss this week's bonus episode where we rank our favorite J-Love movies. Danielle, what's Heartbreakers about? Heartbreak, you got the best of me.

[00:04:08] Heartbreakers follows a mother-daughter con artist duo, Max and Paige, who make a living scamming wealthy men. Love it. Until their latest scheme doesn't go quite as planned. What starts as another routine, con, soon turns into a whirlwind of love, betrayal, and unexpected laughs. The movie stars Jennifer Love Hewitt, Sigourney Weaver, Ray Liotta, Gene Hackman, RIP, Jason

[00:04:37] Lee, and Anne Bancroft. The movie was directed by David Merkin, written by Robert Dunn, Paul Gwai, and Stephen Mazur. And you can watch it currently on Amazon Prime. But before we start, let's get into our ratings rewind. So you know the drill. Before we get into the movie, we'll reveal the rating our Y2K versions of ourselves would give. Then at the end, we'll see if our current selves agree with our initial rating.

[00:05:07] Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy it again. The best would play on repeat. Five day rental. Would watch again. Two day rental. Yeah. Okay, but nothing to write home about. And same day rental. Trash. Straight up trash. So Nick. Yeah. What is your Y2K rating of Heartbreakers? Oh man. Okay.

[00:05:36] So we got to talk about Jason Lee for just a second. Because like, like we talked in our last time talking about Live Aquatic, about how like certain movies are made for like certain people. Like Y2K me was like ska music, skate punk, Vans Warped Tour, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. Like that was me at 16. And Jason Lee has a background as a professional skateboarder. So he had like instant cred in my life. And then he also like, we also talked about how like, again, like, you know, super naive,

[00:06:02] hyper-privileged, you know, baby Nick was like looking for ways to kind of be interesting and unique. And he had that like Kevin Smith indie movie cred as well. So I was like, I mean, I was just all about Jason Lee, you know, that like at that age, like Y2K me was a big fan of Jason Lee. And you throw Jennifer Love Hewitt into this movie. I bought it and bought it again before I ever saw it. Like I was like, on this movie, like it was, it was made for me. And I just, I ate it up. I was like, yes, please. More, please. Thank you, please. Danielle. What, what was your Y2K rating?

[00:06:31] Oh, I've never seen it before. Interesting. I'm just kidding. I owned it. Okay. Fair, fair. I don't know what, you were probably watching wonderful movies. I own it. It is on my DVD shelf. And I owned it as well. It was heavy rotation in our house. So. Nice. I need to stop drinking coffee when I do these recordings with y'all. My heart can't take it.

[00:07:04] Between the caffeine. Switch to decaf for the no more life. Between the caffeine and Danielle's shenanigans. Y'all got to do it. Why is it just my shenanigans? Because I got, I got 40 years of Jackie shenanigans. Like I, I know. Danielle's shenanigans still surprise me every time. Like I don't know what to do. And yours is more just, I know what I'm doing. And so I'm going to do it and I'm going to watch for the reaction. Facts.

[00:07:33] I would say challenge, but it's, you know, it's just fun still to this day. It brings me real good. Never gets old. It does it. It's kind of like Lucy in the football situation, you know? Yes. I was just, I was like, I'd like to think it's because I'm so earnest and lovable that like you can keep pulling that football away. I will still fall in my house trying to kick it. Like I will every single time I will do it because I'm very Charlie Brown in this trio. There's a lovable loser over here. There's just anyone's fear and falling for it every time.

[00:08:04] Well, let's hop into the box office. So this movie had a budget of $35 million and it made $57.8 million worldwide. So not bad. It opened number one in the box office, earning $12.3 million in its opening weekend. Lil Raj gave the film three stars out of four and said that it does what a comedy must. It makes us laugh. You know, sometimes simple is better. I'm glad he didn't say nothing else because me and him in February. Hold on, Lil Raj. Hold on.

[00:08:34] So we get this review for this movie, but Baps, which has the same amount of comedy and physicality, gets on his zero stars list. Clock it. Clock it, Jackie. Make it make sense. Don't make a damn lick of sense. Also, I love how the professional film critic here gives us the definition of a comedy film and calls it a film review. Like, what are we doing? He wrote a whole review, but this is just like one line. Sure. Thanks for that, Roger. That's very helpful.

[00:09:05] Well, first, I'd like to start my review by defining comedy. It's on the stage. A.L. Scott of the New York Times gave a glowing review of the film, stating that at a time when most comedies go for your wallet with a kick in the groin and a blackjack to the back of the head. This one, though, it has some blunt instruments in its bag of tricks, has the class and professionalism to perpetrate an honest and sophisticated con. Okay. A lot of violence in that, but okay. Okay.

[00:09:35] Sophisticated? That's the word we're using for heartbreakers? Yes. I don't know. Well, before we get into the cast and crew in this movie, let's hear a message from our pod pal. You've never seen anything like this before. I actually like this movie. Don't miss the greatest podcast ever sent over the internet. You like music.

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[00:10:33] Shut the ass out later. Watch live Sundays at 4 p.m. Pacific as this incredible live show and its amazing panelists dazzle, entertain, and astonish. It was surprising to see how many different people were attached to be in the cast potentially. And, you know, and also the list that we are going to go through. There's a lot of people that I think it still would have worked.

[00:11:01] Like, I think everybody who was cast was perfect. But because the writing of this was so good, I could see other people as well. Yeah. I think Cameron Diaz would have been good. Like, she just, she's very physical. Yeah. I, I, I go back and forth on Sigourney Weaver. What? In this role. What? Really? I do. Jackie, sometimes your taste, and I just don't get it. She, this is like one of my favorite movies that she's in. She is so freaking funny. What is it? What?

[00:11:31] Tell me. Let me listen. I'm putting my ears on. I don't know. Like, when she tries to, like, be sexy, I don't, I don't, I don't get it. Like, I just don't. So my first note in this movie was like, okay, like 16-year-old me was like all about Jennifer Love Hewitt, right? And I was just like, okay, yeah, Sigourney Weaver. Like, sure, that's great, right? But anyways, we can go, I don't, Sigourney Weaver is sexy. Like that, she is sexy. And this is in the scene. Even like 16-year-old me. No, no, no.

[00:11:59] She's sexy without, like, even if she, even when she's like fully like clothed, she, there's some people who exude sex appeal. And she, like, she does a great job. Now, from a Hollywood standard, I can understand that Sigourney Weaver is not like when you think bombshell or like sex kitten that you probably weren't thinking of her. But she is like a thinking man's sexy in a way. Like, and especially in this role where as like a woman who's conning a man, it has,

[00:12:26] the sexiness has to be way more than you're just a hot face. Like, especially as, you know, being older. And I think she does that in spades. Like, she does such a great job of like the way she carries herself, the way she exudes. She exudes sexuality without having to do much. That's what, like, I love the nuances of her in this role. And she hits that sweet spot of like being sexy, but like holding it back. Like being, like, including the sex appeal.

[00:12:53] But with like, you like know that she's always withholding a like, there is more in the tank for her, but she's not going to give it to you. And there's something really like, like alluring about that as well. Like the way she kind of hits that sweet spot. I think, yeah, Jackie, cold take. That's just, that's, that's, that's. And I think what makes it even better is the cold contrast to Jennifer Love Hewitt, you know, and her being like the, the, the youth of beauty. Right? Like now that I'm older rewatching this and that scene where they are going back and forth.

[00:13:23] It's not like, I think when I was younger, it was, it's hard for me to imagine that the guy would even be interested in the mom. And they kind of play at that, that she starts coughing, but I think she could have taken her because she has the experience. And it's just like, she knows men and understands men in comparison to when you're young and you're just like, you know, you think men only want you for your body. And she understands that there's a whole wealth of things to, to, to nag a man. And like, I don't, I don't know. I said nag a man, nag a man. Both and both. Yeah.

[00:13:54] I'm standing firm in my opinion. So I'm going to tell you it's wrong, Jackie. I'm sorry. Like there and be wrong in your wrongness. Physically. Yes. I get it. Like she is maybe not like the most beautiful, but even in what's the other movie that we love when they're in space with Tim Allen. Yes. Galaxy quest. Galaxy quest. The most that she does, like she has a skin tight outfit on and she has that blonde wig, but just something about like her, or it's just, I could see she pulls. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Hard. I'm on with Danielle on this one.

[00:14:24] I think, I think Sigourney Weaver is an excellent choice because she is. And I think like, there's a part of me, like, so this might be getting like too much, like, but every time I come onto the show and I think about how like little things, like I'm like when I, when I go back and rewatch all the things that I watched as a teenager, like it kind of like makes sense about like, Oh, like, you know, why am I like a certain way? Like I'm attracted to certain people or I behave a certain way, or I use certain language or something like that. I'm like, Oh, there's probably like some formative things that I saw and I didn't realize that. But yeah, I think a part of me, like 16 year old me always knew that Sigourney Weaver was like, I was supposed to be attracted to Jenna Love Hewitt, but there was part of my brain. I was like, no, she's gorgeous. She's like, there's, there's something.

[00:14:54] Sigourney Weaver's got something to do. And I knew it like in everything I saw Sigourney Weaver in, except maybe aliens. I don't think she was really sexy in aliens. But yeah, she, she wasn't supposed, I mean, like nothing was sexy in that movie. Like if anything, even now that I'm thinking about it, even like the first alien, there's a scene, like for some reason, whatever, cause it's Hollywood and they're women. Like she's just walking around at the very end of the movie. She's walking around with no pants on. And the tip top. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you know, and she's always been sexy, but it's just never been, it's always kind of had that sweet spot. Anyways, anyways, enough about that. Sigourney Weaver is a good choice. Jackie, you're wrong.

[00:15:21] Well, back when the movie was supposed to start filming in 97, it was supposed to be Alicia Silverstone, who was going to be Paige. Angelica Houston, who was going to be Max and Doug Lyman, you know, the director of Go and Swingers, he was set to direct. But as time passed, they switched everything. We got Jennifer Love Hewitt. We got David Merkin as the director and obviously Sigourney Weaver. So I, the problem with that is like, I think Alicia Silverstone could have been perfect for that. She would have been fine.

[00:15:49] Angelica Houston, she has the capabilities. I just couldn't, I don't know how I'd feel about the two of them going back, like being mom and daughter. Like, I can't see that one. That would have been interesting to me. Christina Ricci and her, again, would have been cool. But yeah, not Alicia. Yeah. No. Cameron Diaz, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Jennifer Aniston, and Alyssa Milano were all considered for the role of Paige. I could see.

[00:16:19] Maybe not Jennifer Aniston. Yeah. Yeah. Because I, I'll say this every time I get a chance. I don't care what Hollywood tries to do. Stop trying to make me think that woman is pretty. Because she ain't. She got long hair and she's skinny. That's it. That's it. She's a funny lady. But if you saw, tell me if you saw that girl on the street and she wasn't famous, would you even check? Like, would you do a double take as she's walking by?

[00:16:51] I don't know. Probably not. I think I would in exactly that context. Like, if I was like at a Starbucks and she got in line behind me, I wouldn't go like, holy smokes, it's a Hollywood superstar. Like, I would go, oh, that's a pretty lady. Like, it would register in that context of just everyday people doing everyday things. It might register exactly that much of like, hey, she's pretty. But like, that's it. That's it. But I was looking at this list and I think like similar to how I understand about like, if Sigourney Weaver is going to be Max, like then we need the right page to pair with that. I feel like Cameron Diaz wouldn't be a great pair with Sigourney Weaver.

[00:17:20] Because in terms of like presence and power, they seem to be kind of like on an equal level to me in my, like the way I see them. Where like, I just, I wouldn't believe that Cameron Diaz would just follow along with, you know, whatever Sigourney Weaver says. I think Cameron Diaz and Goldie Hawn at that time would have been cool. That would have been a better pair. Yes. Yeah. I love this one. At one point, R&B singers, Whitney Houston and Aaliyah were considered for the roles of Max and Paige. I love that because that would have been epic.

[00:17:46] I think Whitney Houston was a really good actress considering like, you know, it's a rare that people can transition from, can transition from being a singer to an actress. And because she's such an amazing singer, it just, it boggles my mind that she actually was a decent actress at the same time. But also because Angela Bassett and Kiki Palmer had an interview a few years ago and they, I think it was Kiki who was like, they need to do another movie again besides A Killer and the B now that she's older.

[00:18:16] And she was like, oh my God, do you know this movie called Heartbreakers? I would love to redo that with us. And I would die to see the two of them do that movie together. Like I wouldn't mind doing a race flip and redoing this movie with them. I don't care about anybody else. Those two, yes. A hundred percent. That would be cool. Yeah. So yeah, for sure. Who else we got, Nick? So we got some folks we got. Let's see. Glenn Close, Kathy Moriarty, Cher, and Angelica Houston were all considered for the role of the mother, Max Connors.

[00:18:46] I don't know. Like maybe Cher would kind of have that same sort of like sex appeal in an interesting and unique way. Yeah. I just, I don't know. But we've already talked about this. I really think Sigourney Weaver was a great choice. I think I lean towards Cher because I'll watch Cher in anything. Yeah. I think she was one of the closer ones to getting the role. And then I do like Kathy Moriarty. I don't even know how to say her last name. I do enjoy her as an actress.

[00:19:13] I do think she could have done a good job. And then like Alicia Silverstone in her would have been a good pairing. Yeah. I think it's interesting that who they had for instead of, what's her name? Who is the friend? Barbara. Barbara. What was the lady? Anne Bancroft. Anne Bancroft. Yeah. Instead of her. It took me so long to get there. They had Mary Tyler Moore, Lauren Bacall, Ellen Burstyn, Carol Burnett, Lee Grant, and Judi Dench.

[00:19:43] I think the only two that would, I would love to see is Lauren Bacall and Judi Dench. Because I think Lauren Bacall could do that in her sleep. And I love me some Judi Dench. I think she's the white. I did too. She looks like my name in my head. And it kind of, it would have been fun to see someone like Judi Dench, like someone who has like real serious actor chops and not just comedy actor chops to kind of just like, because it's kind of, it's not a throwaway part, but it's kind of just, it's almost like a camera, right? Yeah. Instead of see Judi Dench do like a comedic cameo would have been kind of fun. That would have been cool. Yeah.

[00:20:12] Nick, what about the guys that could have been Jason Lee's character instead? Oh, so, okay. So we've already talked about how much I love Jason Lee. We got a whole host of folks. Norman Reedus turned it down, but also Paul Walker, Nestor Carbonell, Will Smith, Tate Deagues, Keanu Reeves, Johnny Depp, Ryan Reynolds, and Stephen Dorff were all considered for Jack. Like, I don't know. That is such a list of like, just hunky leading men that like, I feel almost, almost too, too hunky. Like it would have been like, believable that he's just like hanging out in like, you know, hanging out in South Florida, like running in a bar. Like, I don't know. It's too much. That would have been too much. I think Jason Lee.

[00:20:43] How do you like, okay. So, you know, a lot of people say that Ryan Reynolds and Jason Lee, same font, different characters kind of vibe. Like, honestly, I, when they said it, I was like, I don't think so. But when you look at pictures side by side, yes, they look, they look similar and their voice and cadence and how they say things are very similar. Like, honestly, Nick, I think Jason Lee is funnier and doesn't play the same person all the time.

[00:21:11] Like he has a little bit more range than Ryan Reynolds at times, just by a smidge. And it's probably because there's some movies that I really like that he's done. But yeah, I don't think they're that different. I mean, that's fair. I think like, I'm thinking of like Ryan Reynolds today, like Deadpool, Ryan Reynolds, and that like that sort of, I don't know, shortlist, muscly, like that kind of persona. But yeah, I think you're right. Like looking back like 20 years ago. Yeah, they were. And I'm like, looking at this picture, I'm like, oh, you know, I see it. I see it. I can see Ryan Reynolds in that role.

[00:21:40] That's fair. But like the other ones, I don't know, like Keanu Reeves and Johnny Depp are too smoldery, right? Like Taye Diggs is just too like hunky. Like the man's just too gorgeous. I don't like it. It's pretty. I don't know. Keanu Reeves, I mean, I'm always going to say yes, but like it just. I'm just always going to say yes. I don't even care. I would have loved this. Like Norman Reedus out of this whole, because they were going for, and I think they nailed it with the like everyday man.

[00:22:08] Like, so I think they casted the role of Jack perfectly. But I think out of this entire list, Norman Reedus most closely like aligns with that everyday man aesthetic. You know who would have been a good choice thinking of that? I know you've talked about this previously in the podcast is James Marsden. I feel like James Marsden is a good pick. I'm just like the. Yes. But back then they like, because he's so pretty, he said he had a hard time getting roles because they just thought he was too pretty. And if they were going for everyday, I don't think he would have fit more. He's got that everyday personality.

[00:22:37] He kind of plays an everyday role. Yeah. He is really pretty, isn't he? Especially back then when he was younger. Now that he's gotten older, it's like kind of working out for him because he's aging gracefully, but he's, you know, kind of takes the edge off. But back then. He was like in the Tom Welling category of pretty back then. I'm so mad he, Tom Welling changed his teeth. Like, I love that his teeth were a little off. And let's see. Ray Liotta's role as Dean was originally written for another actor, but he made such an impression that the filmmakers knew he was perfect for the part, which he was. So perfect. No, no.

[00:23:06] So I think this is one, besides Karina Karina, this is probably where I actually saw him in a movie and thought he was attractive. Yes. I don't have anything else to say. Just an observer. We'll get into it. But like at the end, when he starts like just like laying out the truth to like Max and Paige, I'm like, he is not only is he like he's good looking, but he's like his character is kind of endearing in a way. Like, I like him. I like him. He was good. Yeah. I feel the same way.

[00:23:35] It is interesting that John Davis and Irving Ong wanted Jennifer Love Hewitt for the role of Paige, but David Merkin had to spend a month with her to help her get comfortable acting alongside people outside of her age group, which I thought was kind of weird because I feel like she had been in things where it was people outside of her age group before. Well, like looking at her IMDB, like most of what she'd done at this point was like, it was the slashers, the Still No What She's Last Summer. That's a teen cast-ish, right? Can't Hardly Wait. Very teen cast-ish. Party of Five. 15. Yeah.

[00:24:06] She was kind of in her zone, but now she's like with Sigourney Weaver, Gene Hackman, Ray Liotta. Like these are- I just thought it was- And not as a child. Like as an adult acting along now who are considered your peers. Right. She had just turned 21. I don't know. I don't know why I thought it was super weird that he had to spend time with her. I'm like, why couldn't he have just had her spend time with Sigourney Weaver? That's what that was- Well, I mean- Yeah. When I first read that, I was like, why him? Like that's weird. Right. Right. That was- I got icky vibes from seeing that. I understand the impulse. But yeah, pair her with Sigourney Weaver. Like have them hang out for a while. Right.

[00:24:36] But she did have like a really close relationship with Sigourney Weaver from this movie. And which is sweet because she also had a really good relationship with Jamie Lee Curtis after house arrest. I think we talked about that in our I Know What You Did Last Summer episode because they were filming on like close lots. So she would go and visit back and forth. So I like that she was able to like build relationships with them. All right. We also got Gene Hackman. Let's talk about Gene Hackman for a second.

[00:25:04] Playing William Tenzi, the chain-smoking billionaire of the tobacco industry was influenced by- This is 2001. So this is kind of like the fall of the tobacco industry. And there's all these tobacco billionaires running around. But Hackman reportedly had a blast playing this over-the-top role. And he looked like he was having a blast. Like he just looked- He really did look like- He was so gross. He was so gross. So gross. He looked like he was having so much fun though. Like, yeah, I got a kick out of him. They said that he worked really hard. Like he wanted to make sure that William- What is it?

[00:25:34] Tenzi was repulsive. And so David, the director and him came up with the idea that Tenzi would smoke frequently and he would have like gross teeth or whatever. But when I rewatched it and looked at the makeup, I thought like they had done more with the prosthetics and stuff than I- That's how I remembered it. But now rewatching it, I was like, not so much. Nope. Just add a little- Just give him a little red nose. And the red nose and- Yeah.

[00:26:00] I thought it was interesting because I saw a recent interview with Bill Murray who was asking about Gene Hackman in The Royal Tenenbaums. And he said that like Gene did not get the vision that Wes Anderson had and was kind of like, why am I here with these people every day? And it wasn't until he saw the movie and he was like, okay, that kid knew what he was doing. So it's just interesting to hear that he was like all in on heartbreakers. But then Royal Tenenbaums, he's like, what the fuck is this?

[00:26:29] Heartbreakers made sense. Wes Anderson out here catching strays for no damn reason. Y'all are- I think this was easier to follow. Let me love Wes Anderson films, okay? Just leave him up. This is the Heartbreakers episode. We will get to Royal Tenenbaums. You know, obviously we have to- No, you won't. You won't get to Royal Tenenbaums. Get out of here. We're going to get to that faster than any other Wes Anderson movie. It's the only one I actually kind of liked growing up.

[00:26:58] So it's probably the only one I've ever seen. Let me fix that. Anywho. Anywho. Anywho. Let's say, let's, you know, a moment of silence for the departed, daily departed Gene Hackman, who just died like a week or so ago. And under very suspicious circumstances, him and his wife, I- Like, the more I hear about it, I'm like, this is like true crime situation.

[00:27:28] It's sus at most, at the least, I mean. And then we lost Ray Liotta. What was it? It wasn't last year, maybe the year before. Yeah, a couple years ago. And Anne died not too long after this movie, I think. So. 2022 is when Ray Liotta passed. Okay, yeah. Oh. Yeah. All right, how does this movie start? It starts with a wedding.

[00:27:53] So we are introduced to Max, and she and Dean are getting married. And Dean is, the whole wedding scene is hilarious because it's like Dean just wants to take her up to the room. Like, they have waited until marriage. They are married. He put a ring on it, so he can't wait. And she's like, oh, I'm going to dance with your friends. And at the end, she's dancing with this guy. You assume it's Dean's friend.

[00:28:19] And come to find out, it's the busboy copping a feel as Dean just looks on. Corny as fuck. Like, the fact that he's just sitting there and he's trying to, like, I'm surprised he didn't yank her away. Like, he allowed this to happen. Yes. But I, there's a few times I audibly laughed out loud. And it's the scene after he, like, unplugs the mic, grabs his bride, and he's now carrying her down the hall trying to get to...

[00:28:47] He doesn't just walk with her and then, like, lift her at the door. He is carrying her all the way to the door. And he is, like, huffing and puffing. He's working so hard to get this woman done. So hard. And when he gets to putting the key card and he can't, like, get the door open, this man kicks the door open. He can't even. Oh, man. It's... And you feel for him. You feel, like, all the work he's put into, like, getting them to this place. And the way she plays him, she...

[00:29:17] The outfit behind Jackie, she's, like, ready to go. She's got him so excited. Tells him to get water and comes back and she's passed out. And he legit is trying to fuck her up. He doesn't even... He thinks about throwing that ice water on her. Oh, man. Then he ends up throwing her. This is a moment where, like, so he puts it down. Like, bro, what are you doing? He's trying to make it. He's trying to live. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Max had a number on Dean. Like, he...

[00:29:46] I think, like, it's really interesting here. Like, it sets Dean up as, like, this good, patient, like, kind guy that has, like, this horrible experience on his wedding night. And then we've got to, like, skip to the next scene and, like, he runs a chop shop. I was like, wait. Sorry, what? And... Go ahead. Sorry. No, no, no. I was just like, yeah. I was just like, okay, yeah. So this kind, patient guy, this guy's waited this long. Which, by the way, like, now that we know, like, once we kind of realize it's all a big con, like,

[00:30:12] I think the big, whatever, the big con was somehow keeping Dean, like, celibate until the wedding. Like, good. Wow. Max is good. Max is good. Yeah. She shows her skills. And for three... Because we learned it took her three months to get him to marry her. So insane. And I love how, like, in the... She really plays it so well. Like, in the morning, he is sitting there watching her. It's just like, oh, what happened? Oh, man.

[00:30:41] And then we find out he, as a wedding gift, is having his team prep a car for her. But he's still horny. So he goes upstairs, and his assistant is Paige, played by Jennifer Love Hewitt. And she's... Not... Is she wearing a t-shirt? That's how short that dress feels, essentially. Yeah. And it's like, oops, I dropped papers. Oops, I did this. And he's like, fuck it.

[00:31:10] Because she, like, does all this stuff, but she kisses him first, and he pushes her away, and that's when he's like, oh, yeah. But what I love is, like, thinking about the movie from the perspective that you don't know that Paige and Max are good with each other. So they... It seems like he is just cheating on her with this random person. And so that becomes, like, a fun add-on later when you realize that they're in cahoots, and their mother and daughter on top of that. I could not imagine my mother helping me sexually cause, right? Encouraging you.

[00:31:40] Yeah. Yeah. And so it devolves into a scene where Paige is going to give Dean a blowjob, and Max walks in and catches them. And Paige's hair is cut in Dean's zipper. Poor Jennifer Love Hewitt having to shoot this scene. She said it was, like, her second day of shooting. She brought her mom and her grandma to the set for this shooting this scene on that day. And it was real high stakes for her, I feel.

[00:32:07] But she said her grandma laughed and loved it, and that, like, it was okay. It was the most scandalous thing that she'd had them see besides her Maxim cover, maybe. But they were totally fine with it. So, hey. What can you do? I love the support. Right. What would that do to Ray Liotta of just, like, I have to have this flirtatious scene with a sexy young woman. But her mom and grandma are watching, so, like, I'm going to be flirtatious, but on my best behavior.

[00:32:34] Maybe that actually adds to the, like, because that's kind of the vibe they were going for. Maybe it helped everybody kind of perform their roles. Yeah. I think so. And then the next scene is, is it the divorce? The next scene is that they go to the divorce. Because, yes. She's in black. Carrie Fisher is her lawyer. Fun cameo. Love it. Love to see it. And she is divorcing Dean for $300,000.

[00:33:02] And their weight, I mean, we find out this is why she picked him, because his line of business is unethical and not legal, most likely. So she knows he's going to give her the money and not want to take it to court. And just instead have Mediator kind of get this done. And then after this is when we see her with Paige. And we realize that they're mother and daughter. And how they're living their everyday life. Like, I would have watched this movie just to see them scamming.

[00:33:30] And they did this, like, you know, this was of the times, because this guy comes up. They're at a gas station. Paige comes out of a taxi. She meets her mom. There's a man ready to pump his gas. And Max kind of pulls him to the side to ask him questions about a map. And Paige steals his credit card so that they can pump their gas. I mean, you just got $300,000. Sometimes I feel like they were scheming for scheming's sake. Like, they had money. So come on, y'all. This is getting a little ridiculous.

[00:33:57] And like at lunch, Paige has finished a whole ass steak. Before you realize that you have glass in your salad and complain. Come on. I think, especially in one of those high-class establishments, they just want you to be, like, they don't want that to even be a rumor. You know? So they're like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. You know? But yeah. And this is the scene. So they steal the guy's credit card to get gas. They go out to lunch or dinner or whatever.

[00:34:25] And Paige pulls out a deck of cards and a cigarette at the table with his classy establishment. It's just kind of a weird character development here where it's just like, okay, you are two real savvy con artists that are really fast and loose and kind of just scheming and quick thinking. But also you're like a fucking child. Like, who does that? And you're like, pull out a whole deck of cards and start shuffling and stuff. I could imagine. It relaxes her. You know what? Like, when you say it now, I think about it.

[00:34:52] Like, if Paige has gotten to a point now she's helping her mom with the cons per se, but maybe there was a time where, like, her mom would leave her at a hotel room or, like, Paige was by herself a lot. I can imagine her playing with cards and keeping herself occupied while her mom was hit in the streets or whatever. And she was supposed to, like, do different card tricks throughout the movie, but she broke her finger. And so that was the only one she was capable of doing while shooting. So I think it was supposed to be, like, a running thing that she was really good with cards. It's right.

[00:35:22] You know, they said the card handling that she did was taught to her by a stage magician, Ricky J. Like you said, she learned more tricks, but she wasn't able to do them. So that's pretty cool. It makes me think of, like, Ocean's Eleven. Yeah. Speaking of, like, of Paige being younger and kind of being alone in a hotel room, it kind of, this scene kind of made me think. So, like, we, this is the part of the movie we get, Max is telling Paige, like, you know, how much, how much do we get? And Max says they got $100,000. Like, she lied by 60%. And I think it's because Max needs Paige.

[00:35:53] Like, she doesn't want Paige to think we have enough money to be done and be good. She kind of needs to keep Paige in the loop, which kind of made me think, what was the con before Paige could, like, put on the gray dress and seduce a guy like Dean? Like, what was Max running before her daughter? Was old enough to do. Right? It's not that she doesn't need Paige. It's the same equivalence, I think, to a parent when your child is transitioning to go to college or leave the nest. A lot of, some parents are not okay with that, that it's hard for them to let go.

[00:36:21] She has been taking care of this kid for how long? And to let her go out into the world, she's kind of, I think she's scared. And we learn that later. It's, the girl can con in her sleep. She don't, she don't need her daughter, but she wants her daughter. She wants to make sure she's okay and she wants to protect her. That's fair. I think, like, at this point, I was thinking, like, she can't do it without her. But I think, like, as we get to know Max more, I think you're right that she just, she needed Paige next to her because she's her mom and she wanted to protect her. Right.

[00:36:46] And I think it's also something Paige starts, you know, is trying to believe that her mom is holding her back because she needs her for the cons, not realizing, like, it's more of a want. And Dean calls her out about it later on in the movie, too, that, like, you can't protect her from everything. And she's not going, sometimes I think parents, the traumas they have, they imprinted on their child. So here Max is afraid of men and that they'll cheat because she's been watching all this stuff because that is what her mother experienced. And so she can't even envision that there's a guy who's not like that.

[00:37:16] Yeah, she dropped the line to conceive and leave. Yeah, the one that Max drops is like, you know, guys, if you fall in love with a guy, he's just going to conceive and leave was the line she was like, yeah, she's just trying to protect Paige from the pain that she felt when she was younger. Yeah. So next we are at the bank and the IRS shows up who is in a cameo and they are informed that their account has been drained and they still owe almost $300,000 in back taxes.

[00:37:45] So because Paige was kind of like, we're good. We don't need to con anymore. Like, I can go and start my life. I'm good. And so this is kind of how Max reels her back in for one last big con. It's this super wealthy old guy in Palm Beach that they're going to go and he's worth a lot of money. So after this con, we'll be good. We'll be able to pay what we owe and then we can go our separate ways is what Max tells Paige.

[00:38:11] Well, yeah, well, Paige is the one who's pushing for Palm Beach, which is something Max is hesitant on because my favorite line is that those people are rich, rich, and they're even more paranoid. If you look at the difference between a dean and this old man McGee over here, it's completely different aspects that you're playing with. And going to Palm Beach, she ain't lying. I mean, I live near there. Those people are totally different. It's a totally different situation. And then when they get like dossiers, it's kind of it always reminds me of Princess Diaries, too.

[00:38:41] And they're looking at the different guys from Mia to date. They're seeing the different potentials that they can go after. And I love the rich doctor as they're going down the intercoastal on a boat looking at these people and picking out their prime targets. And there's a man with his mother. And Max goes, who's the old hag? Like it's it's her, his dad, his mom. Sorry. It's his mom. And she's like, oh, no, he's got a lady.

[00:39:10] And facts. OK, anytime I'm on a dating app and I'm swiping and I see a guy and his first picture is with his mom. Some men think that's endearing. But to a woman that is telling me a million things right off the bat, I don't want that. I want you to respect and love your mother. But whatever this is, I don't want it. It's not bueno. The next guy is on like one of those Internet billionaires. But he's got like 50, 11 bitches on the boat.

[00:39:35] And her mom is like he's into group things, not menage a trois, but like full on situations. And what's funny is when she says he's into group things, Paige says you mean like menage a trois. And it doesn't seem to bother her. As if that would be like maybe we can work out. What? So that like I don't I definitely didn't notice it the first time I watched it when I was younger.

[00:40:02] But this time around, I was like, because I was like, so yeah, like this time I'm like, if it's a mother and daughter, I would say like wouldn't adding like three more people actually make the logistics of that easier? Like, isn't that more? It's gross all around. That's not what I thought. I'm not I don't want to shame anybody's sexual practices like none of the mother and daughter. I want to shame. You should not be in any sexual situation with the woman who birthed you. Also fair.

[00:40:30] But I'm also not trying to out of like hundreds of millions of dollars. Like, no, I'm sorry. There are lines. And that's one I don't ever want to cross. I don't want to do that. That's gross. We don't kink shame, but we do incest shame. Yes. Not dying on this hill. This is not the argument. I'm just like, yes, it is bonkers that she thought that a menage a trois was okay, but a menage a stank or whatever she said is not okay. Like that's I'm like, that's that's weird. All of it is weird. You let a reminder.

[00:41:00] It was also it was there were like there was a few times in this movie where I was like, I love this movie, but what? So you see this man's penis. Your mom saw it like gross. Gross. And then at the end when we get to like the mom trying to sleep with the other guy, like I'm like, this is so complicated and gross. But OK, yes.

[00:41:27] Like I when I was younger, I was always under the assumption that like nothing ever really happened. Like it was always like caught in the nick of time. So like I didn't actually have to do anything beyond like kissing or whatever, you know, which is still weird. But like, yeah, like the fact that like she was really trying to get Jason Lee's character to sleep with her and like being in him with cream and strawberries and stuff. I'm like, this is going down a road. I feel uncomfy. Like I don't like what I'm observing right now.

[00:41:57] It was. Yeah, it's no bueno. Oh, I'll say that. Yeah. That's a kink. I think you need to go to therapy. Like Dean said. Yeah. All of you people who are watching porn with like mom and daughter and stepdad and all that stuff. Y'all need professional help because that shit is just the express way to incest. I hate to tell you. There's enough people in the world that you don't have to be with your siblings and your parents. OK. New fantasy. Yes, please.

[00:42:27] Or a therapist. I actually think. Oh, both and. Both and. Both and. A new fantasy and a therapist. Both and. So we see the mom and the doctor. We see the billionaire boat. And then we see Gene Hackman, who's literally hacking his lungs outside of his house. And we find out he is a cigarette billionaire and loves his product like nobody's business. And so they're trying to pick between that. Like Paige is very stuck on the doctor and the mom.

[00:42:56] And Max is very stuck on old man because he's close to his deathbed, which is even better. So they go to a restaurant or a bar. And this is when they decide the best way to figure out which one they're going to pick is to have the man at the bar by whoever gets a drink from him first is who's going to win. And so you see the different ways that they're trying to seduce him.

[00:43:22] And I love the aspect of what the again bringing back the sexiness and the confidence of an older woman. And like, yes, she has like a see-through shirt on or whatever, but her T-tods are not like up in someone's face. She's not wearing a short like all her skin is out. It's very, you know, he's still attracted, but very contrast between the two. But she does speed things up by coughing. It's a good play. She's a veteran. She's a pro.

[00:43:52] She knows what she's doing. There were two things that I noticed at this point in the movie. I think one was like the men are being sorted into two categories. Like one was kind of like men that are feeling allured, right? Men that are kind of like easily kind of like just being intoxicated by their charms, right? Like Dean and Jack. And I guess to some extent Tenzi maybe is like kind of in that category. Like the ones that they actually try and con. But then there's the men that like turn into just absolute like blubbering buffoons that are just like just get completely just dumb.

[00:44:23] And I'm like that. I was like. Like the guy with the statue. Yeah, exactly. And I don't know. Yeah. And like the ballet, like we're just going to see in the next scene. Like they're just like, I don't know. Jennifer Love Hewitt just walks up to somebody like. I was like, what are you doing? What are we doing? Nick, if that was you, what were you going to do? Nick, probably. I mean. But there's a level though. I would be like just. I would probably just be mute. I'd just be like, oh my God. Oh my God.

[00:44:52] But I wouldn't just be like fumbling, dropping my hand. Like forgot how to walk. I would like to think I'd be a little more Jason Lee and a little less bumbling buffoon. Because yeah, it was like they were laying it on pretty thick with some of these guys. Like, but I get it. I get it. But the other thing that I noticed was like, I kept trying to go back and I was like, I don't know. And I was like, oh, we've got these really powerful female, really clever, smart women in this story. But they're doing these things that are hyper sexualized and playing into that, you know.

[00:45:20] And I was thinking back to our conversation about clerks and about how the way that men write women characters to be like that men want women to be. And I was like, but then I thought, I don't think this is that. I think these women. They have their own agency. Yeah. Yeah, like these women are playing that roles of themselves. They weren't like written. The character of the movie wasn't written that way. But the characters in the movie know that character. And they're like, if I do this, if I behave like this, you know, hyper sexual woman, I can make men into bubbling buffoons and make them do whatever I want.

[00:45:46] So it's not like the characters in the movie are these hyper sexualized. But like they are using that as a superpower to make men into, you know, puddles of goo. Then we kind of see from here they target. What is his man? What is this man's name? Henzie. They are like, okay, full on after Tenzie. And so the persona that Max takes on is a character named Olga. She is like Russian. And the first time that she makes sure that she meets him is at this art auction.

[00:46:16] She steals his art auction book to see what he has kind of marked off that he's going after and how much he's going after it. And so she's interacting with him while that's happening. And Paige, on the other hand, is outside trying to like set the scene. But I think actually before that, we have to get to the point where Paige doesn't she make Jack first before this scene? Yeah. She does. She like she steals the key to the ballet and like like messes with Tenzie's car. Right.

[00:46:45] And then once Tenzie's car is set up, then she bolts to go try and con the doctor because she's still in on the mama's boy doctor. Like she's going to try and con this guy. So she runs down to Jack's bar to try and con this doctor. And she's set for a loop because she the way when she's not conning someone, she thinks Jack is trying to hit on her and she's so not interested. She's very rude to him. And he's like, I'm literally the bartender. That is why I'm asking you for a drink. But he like he never gets really angry with her. It's almost like he is observing a wild animal in nature. Yeah.

[00:47:15] So I like that approach that he has. But then it gets to a point where I start to feel angry at him. Like, but then I remember that men love crazy women. They they eat that shit up. I just have a question. How long a period of time are they in West Palm Beach? Not long enough for this man to say he loves her and propose because I marry her. Yeah, because I felt that. Like start to finish.

[00:47:40] We're talking a matter of weeks, maybe not even a month, because also they they do a con to get into the hotel and they decide not just any hotel, the breakers, the breakers in Palm Beach. Is one of the most expensive. High end resorts in the state of Florida. Forget just in Palm Beach in the state of Florida. And they had a hard time even just being able to film the scenes there, first and foremost.

[00:48:08] So they do like a trip and fall situation. We see that nasty pedophile man, Jones, Jeffrey Jones, Jeffrey Jones, who plays the manager or whatever. So they have a suite. And what I don't understand is after the slip and fall and they're trying to like get this comp room pages run around streets. Fine. So are they not seeing that? Because the scene behind me in my picture at some point, they're like walking around pretending to play it up so that they can stay there still.

[00:48:37] But I'm like, yeah, the breakers is not letting them stay there more than like two weeks. So this man has told her maybe two, three weeks. Well, because at first they're like, they're like one, one night. We'll comp you one night is like the first thing. And then also in that scene where she falls in the lobby, that's where she broke her finger because Jennifer Love Hewitt did all her own stunts. And so she fell onto a rubber mat that apparently broke her finger and couldn't do card tricks. Which is sad. I bought it. That fall looked real. I was like, oh.

[00:49:06] I wonder if the breakers gave her a free route. Maybe. So yeah, while Paige is in the bar, she's trying to fend off what she perceives as the bartender hitting on her. But then also mama's boy walks in. She sees a sign for it because like he's not even looking in her direction. No, you don't give a damn.

[00:49:32] She's in a hot pink mini dress, titties out, and he's just talking to his mom. Not at the time of day. He's just staring off into space. Like her mom hasn't even walked in. And at one point, so she's like playing with olives in her mouth, like all hella seductive and everything. And then like he gets up and she's like, you know, like, oh, okay, this is it. He sees me. Walks right past her to meet his mom as his mom walks in the door. And this is the point where Jennifer Love Hewitt chokes on an olive and needs the Heimlich. But doctor isn't coming to say that, but it's Jack.

[00:50:02] And she spits it right in his eye. And the man screams, the retina is detached. I'm like, aren't you a doctor? Like, shouldn't you know? Wouldn't you know if your retina is detached? You're fucking insane, man. It was just such a weird thing for him to go to that bar. Like, I can't imagine him, like someone that rich going there, like out of the norm. And the mom comments on it, like, where do you have me like going?

[00:50:32] When she walks in, she's like, what the fuck is this? And then he gets his retina detached by a rogue olive. Right. Also, Jack has these two friends that work at the bar with him. And it's Sarah Silverman. I just want to say no, I got to say it. I think this is our first Sarah Silverman movie, I think. It's not? What other movie was she in that we did? Evolution, where you expressed her before. Oh, I did. I already said. Okay, yes. I fucking hate her.

[00:51:01] I think she is a despicable, racist human being. Her and Amy Schumer, same level of hate that comes from me for both of those bitches. And every time they're in a movie, I'm going to continue to say this. Racist, racist, disgusting. There was no need for her to be in this movie. I don't know how she's in movies. She's not funny. And she can't act. There's nothing that she adds to anything. Zach would gallop an actress. I don't know why he was there either.

[00:51:28] I don't either, because we didn't utilize him in this movie. No, not in the slightest. I was like, the only thing that Sarah Silverman added to this movie was some very obvious exposition of like, you know, oh yeah, he's the boss. He owns the bar. The dude's kind of loaded. Like, it was like, okay, give her two lines that explains Jack's whole character. Okay, great. Thank you for that. Yeah. These roles go on to day players. Yeah. Yeah. She could, she also gave the exposition like, oh yeah, like someone offered him 1.5 mil for the bar.

[00:51:56] Like, why are you telling this strange girl that like people want to buy the bar from him? Yeah. Everything's going to be gaps in Starbucks, right? It's like, yeah, that's, let's start a conversation. Like, hey stranger, I don't know you. The whole world's going to be gaps in Starbucks. Like, what are you doing? And it's crazy that Paige chose him as a mark when it's kind of like, that's what he's valued at. That's not, he doesn't have liquid cash. Yeah. You would have to get that money if he sold it. And that's if somebody wanted to buy it. Yeah. Just amateur hour over here. You want to know how to run a con?

[00:52:27] Talk to Danielle. Danielle. Yeah. If you want to know if someone's rich, you look at, if you want to know if a man is rich, you look at their shoes. Don't look at their watch. Don't look at jewelry. Don't even look at their clothes. You always look at their shoes. A rich lady named Shannon taught me that. Shannon. I don't look at what I had on my feet right now. Not a wealthy man. Now remember, I said rich. There's a difference between wealthy and rich. Now wealthy people, that's a whole nother lesson.

[00:52:54] So after this, Paige is like, during this whole thing that's going on, Paige's mom calls her to get ready because they are about to leave the auction. She unfortunately won this statue in the auction by accident. And so now she has to figure a way to get out of it because she obviously doesn't have the money to pay for it. So that's when we were talking about earlier that she, I don't know, dazzles this man into like accidentally breaking the papisca. I don't know what she calls it. The papisca.

[00:53:23] So she's able to like get out of that. Max tells Paige, don't forget to take, because they literally have those stakes that you put in the road to, or if the, to blow out someone's tire. So her mom's like, don't forget to take it out. And I felt that moment because my mom and my grandma always do this. They're like, I'm an adult now. And they're still telling me like the smallest, stupidest things. And I'm like, I obviously know how to do that, but okay.

[00:53:46] But she does not take the stakes out because unbeknownst to her, what's his name? Jack. Jack is falling behind her because she has left her purse. So his tires get messed up. He, it's a tree. She's trying to deal with him. Then she sees old man coming down. He crashes into Jack's car and she doesn't have enough time to take the stakes out. So they roll down a hill. The mom crashes into the old man's car.

[00:54:14] And what I love is that she doesn't let it stop her con. She, she gets him out of the car, hits him in the head. Cause she's like, you have head trauma and to the hospital on the rims of her Mercedes. He's just like, your tires are flat too. And she's like, eh, it's fine. And like just sparks flying as she drives down the road. But while, while Max and Tenzi are up on the road, like Jack and Paige are down the hill. Right. And Paige is trying to keep Jack down there.

[00:54:42] And Jack, of course, being Jack is like, I got to get out there. I got to help. Like they might need some help. We got to figure this out. And Paige is like, you know, like, oh, but you know, I'm hurt. And Jack drops the line. Like you're not, nothing can hurt you. This man, like, I don't know. I love this character. I love Jason Lee. I like that. Zinger number one for me. Like it was, I don't know that line. It was nice to see him in an endearing role and not like as sarcastic as he normally is in most of his roles.

[00:55:07] So it was really cool to see him kind of like sweet, but also like sweet, but not fully dumb. Like he was aware, but something was going on. He knew that she was lying, but very intrigued. It's just like, he was just intrigued. He wanted to know what was behind all of it. But it's almost like he knew her even when she was trying to hide stuff, which was pretty cool. And she wasn't the bubbling buffoon. He was like, I'm interested in this girl, but I'm not going to totally give myself up to be interested in a girl. He makes out with her. She leaves him.

[00:55:37] She's always going in and then pulling back and then making it seem like he's some sort of nasty man or something. And he's like, well, I don't understand what just happened. So this was the moment where like, I think 16 year old me was like, or like 40 year old me now was like, I can kind of, I get it. Like if, you know, like the, the smoke show that is Jennifer Love Hewitt in like kind of a crazy flip of the brain, like just a huge kiss on me. And then it just like, and then after that, just like, get away from me and runs away. That would be like, so burned in my brain.

[00:56:05] Like on a loop, like what the fuck just happened? There was a part of me that's like, this guy is so dumb for following this girl. Every time she shows up, he's like, Hey, what's up? But I was like, actually, I kind of get it. If a Jennifer Love Hewitt did that to me, I'd be like, okay, I gotta, I can't stop thinking about this until I figure out the hell's going on here. I was like, okay, I get it. That she did a number on him with that kiss down there in the bushes. It's the ultimate chase. Like, I don't know how they get, how they have a relationship because she's going to

[00:56:32] have to stay on crazy for him to like, hopefully not lose interest because she can't be stable because she hasn't been stable these last two weeks. She hasn't been stable her whole life. No, I don't even, I think what happens next is that they go to the, they go to the hospital. So the Max goes to the hospital, go check on. Yeah. And he is smoking everywhere. He don't care. He can get blown up at the damn hospital. And he tells her you want the insurance money.

[00:57:01] And she's like, Oh, I'm just coming to check on on you or whatever. And she's like, I'm not going to sue. I love how he's like, Sue, you could win against my lawyers. And then we kind of get, um, Tenzi is intrigued with Olga, Max's character. So he starts spending more time with her. They go to a Russian restaurant and he's like, Oh, she speaks your language.

[00:57:28] And she's just like, Oh, but I love that. She like pulls out money to give the waiter. Cause he starts asking her questions in Russian and she's like, Hmm. Duh. And he's like, I think he said something crude to her. And she still said, yes. She gives him some money to like be quiet. And she tells Tenzi, he loves the place that they're at because they can smoke freely at the restaurant. Yes. But she's like, let's get out of here. And as soon as they get up, the people on stage are like, Oh, somebody from home country come sing this very famous Russian song.

[00:58:01] Start dropping the names of like Russian places. Yes. It's giving. Then it devolves into back in the USSR. But of course Sigourney Weaver being Sigourney Weaver, she kills singing this song. And everybody loves it. So, and then she goes back to Tenzi's place. And this is when she finds out that. I don't know if it's this scene or like the next day she has another date.

[00:58:26] She goes back to the house, but she finds out that Tenzi's housekeeper is a grade A bitch and trying to secure the bag. Cause she's been with this old man for a long time. So she's like, Oh, I got to get rid of this bitch. She's doing the long con just in a different way. She does in order to like squash that she uses page to come in to sneak into the house. Cause one thing that Tenzi does not like is people's teefing and stealing from him. So she, she gets that lady wrapped up.

[00:58:54] Like it kills me when he opens her cub, like her armoire and all those cigarettes come out. Yeah. He does it. That's the thing. Because it's like, like at first it was, Oh, she stole the lighter you gave me. And then it's like, Oh, well, okay. And then it's like. Mother's jewelry. Yeah. What's his bag of your mother's jewelry? And he's like, Oh, I don't like that. But then like when the armoire opens and all the cigarettes, he's like, my cigarettes.

[00:59:19] And it's so bad that when the cops come to arrest her, that he gives the cop money to slap her around a little bit. Because she stole the cigarettes. I can't. Which opens a spot for page to have to be able to be his new housekeeper potentially. So that situation is happening. So all of this stuff is happening. They're still working on the con with the man.

[00:59:42] And now secretly page has gotten to a point where she's actually falling for Jack and secretly dating him because she has like a rendezvous with him at the beach at one point. And he teaches her about the stars and she's falling. This is one of my, my, my second favorite Jason Lee line. That's just, it's been in my brain the whole time. Like, so she follows him like through the mud. And then like, he finds her. He's like, what are you doing here again? Like, what is, what is this? Why are you following me? Right. And then she's like, she falls like very cleverly. Says like, I'm an environmentalist, like studying waste runoff.

[01:00:12] I'm like, oh shit, that's sharp. Right. I'll make up a lie on the spot. But then she's like, what are you doing out here? And he's like, come on, I'll show you. And she says, like, this scene has been burning my brain for 20 years now. Like, she says, wait, you're not out here burying high school kids, are you? And he says, well, they egged my car. I don't know why this is going to wrap me up. I just love it. Nick, I didn't know where that was going. And I didn't think that's where it was going to land. But I love Jason Lee in this movie. Like, he's so good.

[01:00:41] I'm not going to yuck your yum. But I was really thinking we're going somewhere else with that line. It's just going to be like alternate taglines for this movie. It's just, I love Jason Lee in this movie. Nick Jellers. Oh, man. But I also like how she's like, he's like, I'm looking at the stars. And she's like, ooh, who? Like, she thinks it's famous people.

[01:01:09] And he's like, no, like the stars up there. This is the only time where I like, I had a problem with the way Paige's character is written. Because she's obviously super smart and super clever. But then like in this scene, she's acting so dumb. I think she's just letting her guard down. That I think is the difference. Like, let me tell you, when I'm dating someone and I'm actually comfortable with them, it's like my brain leaves. When you feel safe with someone and you don't have to think, yes, you can become quite stupid.

[01:01:38] I know I'm not stupid. But when you, I think it's kind of like a signal to the audience that he makes her feel a little bit not on top of her game. So that's where you see the shift of her like actually falling for him. So yes, she normally wouldn't be this dumb. She's dumb with her mother sometimes, you know. So I think this is like she doesn't have to be on her P's and Q's. And he makes her a little off kilter. That's how I interpret it. Also, she's from the city.

[01:02:06] Like you probably don't do a whole lot of stargazing in the middle of New York City with light pollution. So it's probably not the first thing that comes to her head. And I'm a gossiping bitch. And I'm like, we're on Palm Beach. And you're saying I'm looking at stars. I'm like, yeah, bitch. Who are we looking at? I wouldn't even think. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. All right. So I will retract my critique. I like this. All right. That's good. Perfect.

[01:02:32] So then she has to rush home because she knows her mom needs to like her mom's going to come back home. So she needs to run back to the hotel. And I don't know why she couldn't just be like she was hanging out or whatever. But her mom already becomes suspicious. And the next time she goes out, she follows her and finds out she's with Jack. All this is happening while Dean is back in New Jersey breaking picture frames of Max because he misses her.

[01:03:00] And so then he decides that he's going to find her because the Mercedes title goes transfers. So he finds out where it goes and he heads to Palm Beach to go get his lady. Yeah. And so like we kind of get this. Paige is hanging out with Jack Moore. They're going on his boat and spending time together. And then Max is kind of cozying up to the smoker. Why can't I think? Tensy's. To Tensy.

[01:03:29] And so they're kind of each exploring their relationships. And then Max has decided like it's time to seal the deal with Tensy. So she comes to him with like this sob story about how her green card has been rejected. She has to go back to Russia. And his reaction is like, oh, I was going to propose, but if you're leaving and she's like, wait, no, that's not what I want it. So she really didn't even need the extended con of the green card. No. She already had him. He already had a ring.

[01:03:57] He was ready to go because she's also told him that she's religious and is waiting for marriage. So she's helped him now to hire Paige as his French, French maid, British, sorry, British maid. But in a French maid. But in a French maid outfit. Yeah. And he's ready to put a ring on it. He has one last choking fit and then like falls on the papisca and he is now dead. So when Paige gets home, now they have to like try to figure out how to move his body.

[01:04:25] Then housekeeping, not housekeeping, the room service is coming in. So they put Paige and him out on the balcony. And somehow when Max is going, when everything, the coast is clear, Max comes to open the door. Or he falls off the balcony. There's no way they get away with this because even when they go back to the house and have it look like he fell from his stairs, that fall from the staircase to how many floor building is like not going to. That is not happening. Foul play on that for sure.

[01:04:55] But okay, it's a movie, whatever. All of this is happening. They try and get rid of the body. And guess who shows up? Dean. Dean shows up at the hotel and he is like, I want you back. Let's do this. I want to be together. She ties him up. She's like, you cheated on me. He's like, I'll never do it again. Whatever. She ties him up in the hotel so she can go move this body back to the house. I love that the actress from Jeepers Creepers is the housekeeper who comes in and he finds out that there's two different wallets.

[01:05:25] Finds out that where Tinsy lives. And so he's like thinking that she's a quote unquote cheat on him or pulling a con on somebody else. And he finds her with this dead body on top of her. And then finds out that Max and Paige both ran the scheme on him. And he is livid. Li-vid. He should have won an award for this scene where he's just like, what the fuck, man? You both need therapy. But he still loves Max. He is still ride or die for Max.

[01:05:54] But he's like, this is fucked, but I still want you. He's so mad he pulls a gun. But I love that Max calls his bluff and she's like, you may be a lot of things, but you're not a killer. There's no bullets in the gun. And he's like, I can't. But he's like, you know what? Have this. I want my money back. So they're like, help us with this body. We'll get you your money. Whatever. Go ahead. What was the line? Like, you know, like, can you like, because they're fighting, they're fighting, they're fighting. Like, like Dean, like, can you help me? He's like, I'm from Jersey, aren't I? I'm like, I don't know people from Jersey, but that made me laugh. I'm just like, and then like, there's like cut to the next scene where they're just like, wow, really good with that body.

[01:06:24] And I'm like. Shout out to Andrew, Andrew and Mario. We have to ask them when they come on the show. If you're from Jersey, do you know how they disposable bodies? Yeah. I love in the housekeeper negotiating scene when he's tied up. Like at first, he's just like, take a 20 on my wallet and be on your wine. She's like, and he's like, okay, a 50. And then once she mentions the two wallets, he's like, untie me. Like that was the breaking point where he's like, shit's weird. Get me down. I'll give you money.

[01:06:54] The line she's told him, he's like, you know, like fine. Like she's like, I've been cleaning this room for two. Oh, there's a line on how long they've been there. She said, I've been cleaning this room for two weeks and not a single tip. And he's like, fine. There's a 20 in my wallet. And she says like, why don't I just sit on your kinky face while you think about that for a minute? I love that line. So now Dean is in on all of the conning from this day forward. Like he is part of the family now. And he's all in. He's all in because he wants his money. And that's because they go to the bank and they realize that the money is gone.

[01:07:21] Now, unbeknownst to Paige, she's like, we didn't have any money to begin with. And this is when we find out that Max has asked her pal, Barbara, who has taught her the con, that she has stolen all the money. So now they really need to con Jack in order to get the money that they need to pay back Dean. And so now they are pretending to be her cousin, her two cousins. And he has proposed to her, but she keeps on going back and forth because she feels bad.

[01:07:48] Like she doesn't want to do this to Jack because she's in love with the man. As her mother told her that she couldn't handle this, that you're in love with this guy. How could you not be in love with this guy though? Well, he gave her the meteorite ring. Yes. I need some ambition in life. And he seems like he ain't doing much. Your daddy left you this bar. It looks dirty. It looks like a tetanus shot is needed. And I think you live in an apartment. Yes, it might be on the beach, but I need more.

[01:08:18] I need to see more. I need more. I can't live this life. A meteorite ring? Mama needs gold and diamonds. You're just a hate tank with a black heart, Danielle. Where's the sentiment happening? This is charming. This is sweet. Being broke is not charming. Being. He's not broke. Acting like you're broke is not charming. You can go in and be like, hey, this is great. You own your own business. It's worth capital.

[01:08:48] Like let's leverage this and maybe start another bar. Right. But I don't want to do that. I need my man to have the ambition himself. A plan. Something. He seems like he's coasting. He's chill. My dad left me this. I'm cool. This apartment. I'm not trying to do nothing else. Like I need this is just for me. For Paige. Fine. Whatever. For me. I need a little bit more. I can't do like what am I going to do with this? Well, maybe. So to kind of come back to the story, though, is that Paige has seen a lot of rich men just be scumbags.

[01:09:16] So maybe this this kind of guy that's just just endearing and genuine without like he's not trying to do anything else other than just be sweet. This goes to the nice guy trope, which is that the bar is in hell. So if you do the little bit, the least amount, it's oh, well, he's great. No, again, I have seen nothing. I don't even know if this man's wearing a clean shirt. Not one time in this movie, except maybe their wedding day. So I'm sorry. It is just not again. Not enough. Ladies, raise the bar because this is ridiculous.

[01:09:45] How come Paige gets to be gorgeous, smart and all this other things and he gets to do nothing but be attracted to her crazy? So I this I'm not going to I'm not going to die on the hill about the menage of sync. I will die on this hill, though. This like, OK, he is above that bar in the sense that like the bar is in hell because it's like that bar is like, well, I didn't hit my wife and I brought home a paycheck. Therefore, I'm a good man. Like that's the that's the bar. And that's bar in hell. Like this man, like he owns and operates his own restaurant. Yes, but he has like he's running it, though. He's he's there. Look at me standing right there.

[01:10:15] He's in the bar. He's doing it. He is like thoughtful and sweet and generous. And he gives his time and he gives his energy in a way. He expects nothing of Paige. Like he doesn't want anything from her other than to just her being extremely hot and smart. Like, what do you mean? He doesn't expect anything. What she's giving already is right. But I'm saying like he's not I feel like I don't get the sense that he feels like he's entitled to Paige because he'd like I don't like he's not about that. He finds her more intriguing. Yeah. That she's kind of like this.

[01:10:44] This yeah, this weirdo girl that is very hot and cold. That's intriguing to him. I don't think even if she wasn't as hot as she was, it would still be intriguing to him. I feel I'm asking y'all what this man is giving. Okay, he owns his business. All right. A rundown bar that his daddy gave him. Fine. It happens to be in a really good location. What is this man giving? Wit and charm and thoughtfulness. Like, like I don't like I've like any literally any man could go to any jewelry store and buy any precious precious gem ring.

[01:11:14] Like, but he like had a ring made that was like relevant to their first date, quote unquote, and the day they met like that level of like thoughtfulness. That's worth something. Okay. And it seems like he he's a really good friend. Like his friends seem pretty ride or die for them. He employs them. He likes them to be around. He does. He takes them to baseball game. Like, I think he does. His love language is acts of service and time spent, which is valuable in a different way.

[01:11:44] All right. And I think it would have been really easy for him to, yeah, sell the bar if someone was coming in and offering him a fat paycheck for it and just living off of that. Like he could have easily done that and not even been working to maintain his life. Yeah. I mean, I would have liked to see him if I saw him like washing some dishes or doing some other things, maybe. But to me, I was just like, okay, it's all right. But not for me to swoon over.

[01:12:09] He's just in this capacity, in this movie, he's just better than the rest of the a-holes in the movie. So that to me just means that the bar isn't like, you know. Yeah. I guess I guess like I think it is. It's a contrast that works, I think, in this particular story. Yeah, yeah. All the other a-holes, they will give her, like they will have all the money to give all the gifts and everybody keeps giving these women all these gifts that they want. And he's like, I'm not going to give you all the gifts you want. I'm just going to be present. I'm going to give you my time and I'm going to give you, you know, my thoughts and my energy.

[01:12:38] And like that's something that nobody has given her before. Because the bar is in Hill. But okay. Paige loves him. He loves her. Two weeks. It's perfect. All right. All right. Moving on. So now they're getting married. We had the wedding and it's setting the stage. Max is at the stage that she's very flirtatious. They go out on a boat. This is one of my favorite scenes because Dean starts shooting at the fish. And yeah, so it's setting up the stage for them. You could tell that she does not want to con him.

[01:13:07] She is very upset about this. And even at the wedding, she's having a hard time saying like I do and all this stuff. And so we get to the wedding night and essentially he does the cutest thing with this. I don't know what shack there. And it's a hotel, I guess. I don't know. And he decorates it, which is super cute. And she does the whole like I'm falling asleep ploy. And he goes outside, which I'm like, what would have happened if he didn't decide to like go outside, you know? But he goes outside. Max catches him.

[01:13:36] She brings him back to her suite. She's feeding him strawberries, really putting it on thick. And he is just like very uncomfortable being in that situation. He's trying to be nice because that's her family. But he is not interested in cheating. And Paige has already said multiple times, he's not going to cheat on me. Like he loves me too much. She's not wrong. But you know, Max is like, I gotta get this paper. So yeah. One second. Because like we skipped over the wedding reception, which has one of my all time favorite lines from Ray Liotta. And it's like, oh my God. Okay.

[01:14:07] So like, so Ray Liotta meets Jack's mom and they're just like introducing each other. Like, you know, so like what do you do? And he says, I'm a college professor. And she says, oh, what do you teach? And if I could tell you, so I am a college professor and I have this conversation all the time. Like I literally just had it two days ago when I met one of Sarah's coworkers and I want to drop this line every single time. But it's such a niche reference. Like nobody will get it. So the, so the interaction goes like, you know, oh, what do you do? I'm a college professor.

[01:14:37] College stuff. What are you a fucking cop? Every time. Oh my God. Every single time somebody asked me that question, like, what do you teach? I want to say. College stuff. What are you a fucking cop? But nobody will get it. And I've never been able to do it. One of these days, one of these days I will drop that. Plus you're too nice to just be like, what are you a fucking cop? Like why are you asking me what I teach? What's the call question? That line cracks me up.

[01:15:05] There's so many times I laughed out loud during this movie. So essentially, and Paige catches Max in the bed with Jack. He's disoriented. And so now she's devastated. They go to get a divorce. They get the money. He says to his lawyer, give her everything, which means he has to actually sell the bar to give her what she wants. And when they go to the bank, this is when Paige is at the inside the bank.

[01:15:29] Max is outside talking to Dean and she admits that he actually, he being Jack, did not cheat. She mickeyed him. She drugged him. And that's when Dean's like, what in the holy hell is wrong with you? Like, why would you make her think that he did that to her? And so he's like, life is messy. Life is about pain. Love is about pain. You can't protect her forever from that. And so she realizes that she's got to let Paige fly.

[01:15:56] And I love when Dean in this scene, Dean says like, I thought this revenge thing was going to be fun, but you've done everything you can to ruin it. His character is so, he's so good. He's like, I don't even want the money anymore. I don't want the money anymore. Because he threatens a few times to like call the police and take the car and all sorts of stuff. But he wasn't going nowhere. So once they get in the car, it's just Max and Paige now. And I love this because it's a throwback to the beginning scene. Because one of the beginning scenes where she's like almost choking her mom with their fighting when she finds out something.

[01:16:25] Because her mom keeps lying to her. So she tells her about Jack and she's like ready to murder her. But then she forgives her mom and she goes running back to Jack. Now this is the only part of the movie that I'm like, I can't just let my brain just let it go. What do you mean you just go kiss him after the divorce? And you're telling me this man still wants to be with you after finding out you are a compulsive schemer and liar. You put me through the ringer.

[01:16:53] You made your mother Mickey me. You took my family inheritance from me. Yeah. And I think the last thing we see in their relationship is he says Jane something and she's like, my name is Paige. And then it's like, fade to black. Like, that's the last, like, we're just going to end. Like, that's it? That's it? So I don't even know your real name, which means our marriage was not valid. Which means I didn't even owe you this money to begin with. Yeah.

[01:17:21] And all you do is you walk in or you have your friend throw you a surprise party. I'm there with the deed to your place. And I have soft wavy hair, which implies that I've changed my ways. And I'm ready to just be with you. And you're like, cool, nice to meet you, Paige. End scene. Wild, wild, wild. Then we get an end scene because Max goes to Dean's room. They obviously still have it for each other. And she says, I just need you to do one thing for me.

[01:17:50] Because he's like, I want you back. I want to be together. She's like, great. We're going to have no more conning. We're going to have a respectable life chopping cards. But she's like, I just have one more con. Because they got to get Barbara back. So the next thing you see Max in the car with binoculars watching Dean con Barbara. And then that's it. That is heartbreakers. We did it, y'all. Here we are. Yeah. Fun facts. Has anyone really learned any lessons in all of this? Yes. Max has learned to let go a little bit.

[01:18:20] And Dean is never going to be unfaithful because she's already told him that any person that might come on to you, she may be working for me. So he's a one-woman man. So he's learned. Paige is not going to lie anymore. Everybody's learned lessons. What does Jack learn? Jack. And Jack's just. Jack learns to be a bitch before getting married. Just saying. Well, this was Anne Bancroft's last live action films. That was sad.

[01:18:50] Yeah. Sigourney Weaver, because she's a native New Yorker, didn't know how to drive, which made her so nervous while doing her scenes in the film. Love that for her. Sigourney Weaver believes she was invited to go to the Moscow Film Festival because of the scene where she was singing in a fake Russian accent. During filming of the kissing scene with Jason Lee, Jennifer Love Hewitt laughed for 30 minutes straight while on Watch What Happens Live, Ray Liotta said that Sigourney Weaver was probably the worst on-screen kisser of all the actresses he's ever worked with. Why? Why do you have to put her on blast? Right. Yeah.

[01:19:20] Take that to the grave, sir. But maybe that goes to Jackie's statement of her not being sexy. I don't know. See? I mean, you know. Yeah. Jennifer Love Hewitt shared a statement to E! News about Gene Hackman's passing. She said, I was one of the many lucky enough to work with Gene Hackman. He was light and talent and goodness. We will all miss you. That was very sweet. That was very sweet.

[01:19:46] It's wild to me, like, thinking about actors that smoke for roles and, like, how much they have to smoke as a part of their roles. And so to avoid becoming addicted to nicotine, Gene Hackman asked the prop department for only herbal cigarettes. But the only problem was that they didn't generate enough smoke. And there was a ton – like, there was a scene where Sigourney Weaver was, like, performing CPR on Gene Hackman and she came up and smoke came out of her mouth. Like, the amount of smoke, whether it was, like, props or fake or, like, costume or whatever, like, there was just so much smoke. But Gene Hackman didn't smoke before this role. Like, he wasn't a smoker, but he smoked a lot in this role.

[01:20:15] I don't know why they even attempt herbal cigarettes because every time we hear something like this from one of the movies, the herbal cigarettes never work. So it's just, like, I don't know why they haven't learned to just go ahead and get the real cigarettes at this point. It's interesting because when Jennifer Love Hewitt was asked if there was a reboot of Heartbreakers, who would she want to play Max and Paige? And she said Jennifer Lopez and Jenna Ortega. She'd think they would be the perfect Max and Paige. I disagree because I still think it's Angela Bassett and Kiki Palmer.

[01:20:45] But, hey, I would just be happy to see another version of this movie at this point. I just can't see Jenna Ortega playing that. She's got to get a little older. I can't see her being seductive at this point in her career. It is wild to see, like, Ray Liotta in this comedic role. He was coming straight off of Blow and then simultaneously filming Hannibal as well as Heartbreakers, which kind of, I don't know, like, I guess Ray Liotta's got range. Like, he's got these, like, serious, sinister roles. Yeah.

[01:21:10] I don't know, like, not a wildly different character, but just one that is, like, the same character, but just flip the endearing, charming, you know, sweet switch. And then you get Ray Liotta in Heartbreakers, which he was, if not for Jason Lee, Ray Liotta stole the show. He is just blank. I think everyone did amazing. Like, it was a real ensemble piece for sure. From a fashion standpoint, Jennifer Love Hewitt, she kept all the dresses, but she didn't wear them after filming. And Sigourney Weaver felt that her performance was also enhanced by her extraordinary costumes.

[01:21:40] She called Anne Roth and said she had to do this film with her because her character was ageless. Also, the most expensive shot in the movie was when Jennifer Love Hewitt leaned against the car to talk to Ray Liotta near the end of the movie because it was cold on set. She had a white sweatshirt around her waist that was in the shot and had to be digitally taken out. That's wild. Like, why? Why not just leave it in? I don't know. Aesthetics, I guess.

[01:22:02] If you guys have any hot takes, didn't agree, whatever, you know where to find us at NoMoreLateFeeds on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube, threads, Blue Sky, everything. But if you're going to come to the comments and say that Jack was a mediocre man, I'm going to come and invite you. I'll meet you there. Jack is a delight. He's a kind and good man. He is better than that. I don't want to hear it. Well, Nick, why don't you tell us what your present day ratings are?

[01:22:29] I would be surprised if it was anything other than... I mean, honestly, in watching it again, maybe five-day rental? I don't know. Like, it's definitely worth watching. It's definitely enjoyable. There were parts of it that I felt like didn't quite hold up in a way that I remembered it. But it's still not even just for the nostalgia factor. Like, I think it is still a good, good film. It is still very funny. There's moments where I laughed out loud. I would recommend anybody, if you haven't seen it yet, go back and check it out. It's worth watching. But five-day rental, I think, for me. That's solid. It's solid.

[01:22:59] It's still really solid. I as well will go five-day rental. I similarly laughed out loud. And it was entertaining. It was well-acted. So, no notes. It would still be a would-buy for me. I liked it. Well, if you have any opinions and want to hit us up at our quick shop, 909-601-6653, you can spot us at the Twitters, have us at the threads, Butterfly in the Sky at Blue Skies,

[01:23:27] and you can be featured on a future episode. And, you know, Jackie's birthday is coming up. So, send us a shout out and wish her a happy birthday. And join us next week for Jackie's birthday episode as we join multiple Michael Keaton. And Multiplicity. I say I'm excited for, like, next week's episode, but I'm really excited for Multiplicity. Nick, thank you for joining us yet again. It is somehow always a pleasure.

[01:23:57] I am anxiously awaiting this special surprise that's coming with my next one. Precivory. Yeah, I have no idea what's going to happen, but I cannot. I'm waiting with bated breath. Oh, until next time. Until next time, no more ladies. It's been a pleasure. And, as always, be kind and rewind.