Dodgeball

[00:00:00] This week I am tackling my phobia of Ben Stiller. It's not a phobia, it's more of a hatred. For the second time with 2004's Dodgeball. Let's see if a dose of Vince Vaughn helps me swallow this jagged little pill.

[00:00:26] Welcome to the No More Late Fees podcast. I'm Danielle. And I'm Jackie and we're just two best friends and ex-blockbuster employees rewatching some of the best and worst movies from the late 90s and early 2000s. This week we are talking about

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[00:01:45] as we discuss our favorite underdog sports films in our bonus episode. All right, Jackie, let's get into the skinny on Dodgeball. Average Joe's gym and its owner Peter Lafleur are both down on their luck. A fancy competing gym called Globo Gym run by the maniacal health nut White

[00:02:05] Goodman is about to put Average Joe's out of business unless Peter can raise $50,000 to keep his mortgage. To save the gym, Peter and a ragtag group of Average Joe's members and employees ragtag group of Average Joe's members and employees enter a Dodgeball contest with

[00:02:25] a big cash prize. In response, White forms his own Globo Gym team to wrap the competition. It stars Vince Vaughn, Ben Stiller, Christine Taylor, Rip Torn, Justin Long, Missy Pyle, and Julie Gonzalo.

[00:02:40] It was directed and written by Rossin Marshall Throop and you can currently watch it on Hulu. Before we start, let's get into our ratings rewind. So you know the drill. Before we get into

[00:02:53] the movie, we'll reveal the rating our Y2K selves would give and then at the end we'll see if our current selves agree with our initial rating. Our scale consists of would buy it, would buy it again,

[00:03:05] the best would play on repeat, five day rental, would watch again, two day rental, okay but nothing to write home about, and same day rental. Trash. Straight up trash. All right Andrew we're going

[00:03:20] to start with you. What was your Y2K rating of Dodgeball? Oh it's no doubt would buy it, would buy it again. Like I loved this movie growing up. It was my all-time, one of my all-time favorites

[00:03:35] without a doubt. Jackie? 20 years. That's how long I've gone without having to watch this movie. Y2K Jackie never saw this movie. I wrote down two things about this movie and then I took a picture and sent it to Andrew.

[00:03:58] I said my first two notes are the same fucking character as heavyweights and I already hate them. I surprisingly own this movie but I don't know why. Someone leave it at your house? I don't know.

[00:04:18] I didn't think I had this but I checked the shelf, sure enough it was there. I was like oh. So I'm gonna say would buy it because I did. I don't know if it was like a

[00:04:37] giveaway, somebody gave me a bunch of DVDs. I don't know. It wasn't even a bootleg that my dad gave me so this should make it interesting to see what I have to say about this movie.

[00:04:51] Down the line. Pure accident. All right let's get into the box office. So the budget for this movie was 20 million dollars. It made 168.4 million dollars and because of this movie there was a

[00:05:06] rise of dodgeball leagues all across the country. I remember like and especially when I moved here, it was years later but it had grown to a point where all the people I worked with were doing

[00:05:22] dodgeball leagues or kickball leagues and I was like I want no part of this. Do not invite me to play or watch these games and all they would do is play and then go get drunk afterwards. It

[00:05:33] seemed like fun but it was a no for me. Doesn't ESPN now have like an Ocho channel that shows like lesser known sports? I don't know if they have a channel but they made like they did on

[00:05:48] August 8th every year. Yeah and it's like all the obscure sports but dodgeball is like definitely one of them. I think they like make a big thing about USA playing Canada or it's the same match that they

[00:06:00] just replay every year. No one notices. You want to hear what Lil Raj had to say? Always. Roger Ebert, he gave the film three stars out of four. Come on Raj. Yeah his review said in a miraculous

[00:06:19] gift to the audience 20th Century Fox does not reveal all the best gags in its trailer. Hold on is that the only thing he had to say about this movie because it sounds like he's just trying

[00:06:31] to like well it was really well lit. I will I'll dig into it. I'll go make sure but I mean Jackie he gave it three stars. I just don't know where these stars are coming from Raj. I want to say

[00:06:48] that maybe he got paid off but I know his integrity would never. Yeah. But like I was gonna wait till later but I have to say this Dame Helen Mirren said this is one of her favorite

[00:07:00] movies of all time. Straight face. I saw that video. I knew I liked her. But you know I love an actress who can do Oscar worthy movies but also be in Fast and the Furious movies. That's true.

[00:07:20] Like keeping it real. And you know I stay looking for my girl in National Treasure One. Every time. You did. You were so hopeful. Well many studios including Dreamworks Pictures and MGM passed on this movie but 20th Century Fox finally agreed with when Ben Stiller reduced

[00:07:42] his salary to well under a million dollars. As of March of 2005 the movie has grossed over 124 million dollars as I said and I'm sure he got money on the back end to reduce his pay. I just want to

[00:07:57] say there's a lot of recycling going on in this movie it feels. We you know Fat Bastard, Ben Stiller of it all. But I really want to say that Vince Vaughn was fucking phoning it in in this

[00:08:12] movie. Out of all the movies I've ever seen him do. He. All right before we get into cast and crew let's hear a message from our pod pals. Sup I'm E, former little Lebowski urban achiever.

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[00:09:00] watch. Where are we going? You don't need headphones. Before we get into cast and crew though I watched this movie. I was trying to think of the opposite of Cinemax Masterpiece. And I just couldn't think of anything that just didn't sound downright mean. I watched it on DVD

[00:09:28] and so I wrote down there were four trailers before the movie started. You want any? Do you want to try and guess? It's 2004. 2004. One stars or has Timothy Olyphant in it since we're still

[00:09:45] riding that train from Catch and Release. Nope that was too late. Oh that's 2005. He plays a porn star in it. Oh it's well I thought he was a pimp not a porn star. Got the Girl Next Door?

[00:09:59] Yes. Okay. The next one is a movie we're doing later this year. There is a dance scene in it. Save the Love? No that's not we're not doing that movie. There's a dance scene. And there's also

[00:10:13] a school. 10 Things I Hate About You? No that's 99. Sorry school shooting? School. That's not funny. Sorry. School election and a dance scene and there's a llama. Oh Napoleon Dynamite. Yep. You should have started with llama. I don't know nothing else but the llama. The next one.

[00:10:38] The next two are deep dives. The next one stars Jimmy Fallon and Queen Latifah. Taxi. Love that shit. Wasn't taking much. And the last one I don't even know how to describe this and I've

[00:10:55] never seen it so it's Pauly Shore is Dead. That's the name of the movie. Oh never was gonna guess that. Didn't know it existed. No. Didn't know as much. Is it a mockumentary? Like what is it?

[00:11:08] You don't know. Oh I thought you watched the trailer or you just saw that the trailers were- It's him just yelling at the screen with a shirt that says Pauly Shore is Dead. It doesn't give away much. I miss Pauly Shore. Just saying. Let's see. No it's-

[00:11:25] I mean I remember seeing the cover box for it. Come on bro. Well Pamela Anderson's in it. Pamela Anderson. Yeah and Todd Bridges. Lord this delist central over here. Not Pam Pam. Hollywood's Pauly Shore loses everything, fakes his own death and gets caught.

[00:11:46] It's a real life story. I don't think it's like- It's not a real life story. He's not in jail. Anyway those were the trailers on the DVD. I thought that was fun. I was like oh a new game

[00:12:01] we can play. Oh nice. You know what Jackie? It is my mission to set up that DVD player. Well I know that we talked about this in our heavyweights episode that there's a ton of conspiracy theories about the fact that Ben Stiller is literally playing the same character

[00:12:20] and from all the clips and stuff I've seen other podcasts do I always thought it was just a conspiracy theory that the characters were just really similar. Despite all of these theories, Ben Stiller's character White Goodman was actually an intentional copy and paste of his character

[00:12:39] Tony Perkins Jr. from heavyweights. Stiller decided to simply just redo his performance because he thought no one had seen the film and didn't realize it was a cult classic and so then everybody started talking about it.

[00:12:55] So he thought that this eating disordered, verbally abusive, fat phobic character was so funny he had to do it twice to make sure people saw it. Yeah it just makes me hate him even more. This one had

[00:13:10] feathered hair though. He also masturbated with a pizza. I'm just saying that's like some burns. Like I know men have stuck it in random places before but that like I've never known them to

[00:13:27] put their dick in danger. I don't know. Oswald's voice no less. So it was him? Yes. I knew it. I'm like listening to it and I'm like I think that's Patton Oswald

[00:13:42] and I'm over here trying to pause the movie to see what the title of the movie was. See if I can find that. Nope. It was. Yes he did some voice work on this movie. I would have

[00:13:55] enjoyed to see him in front of the camera. He's such a funny actor. The real tragedy is that we only get Hank Azaria for like two lines. Yeah. I was so upset. There were so many cameos in this

[00:14:09] movie. There were. Well okay the one thing I thought to myself as what as I was watching this movie was when William Shatner came up I was like okay this is some sort of piece for

[00:14:20] Jackie right now. I know she's going through it watching this movie but this is at least a little bit of a reprieve for even for a few seconds to see William Shatner. I was happy to see him but

[00:14:32] like it was too little too late by the end of the movie. I'm like he needed to show up way earlier in the movie for it to have a redeeming quality. Wow so the tagline for this movie is dodgeball

[00:14:44] even William Shatner's appearance doesn't save it for Jackie. Nope. And that's saying something because I've seen him live twice and cried both times so the love for the Shat runs deep with me. Well it's very so you watch it on DVD but you didn't

[00:15:03] watch with the commentary right? No I was gonna watch it with the commentary today but then I realized nothing in my office has a DVD player in it so I couldn't re-watch it. You were like

[00:15:16] re-watch it. You were like darn. Well it's a good thing because apparently it's an it's apeshit crazy because they start off kind of normal then they start getting kind of weird and then at some

[00:15:31] point in the middle of it they throw in there's something about Mary's commentary on top of this movie just for funsies. Everything we are saying about this movie it just keeps getting worse and

[00:15:44] worse. Oh one thing that was like a saving grace for me in this movie was that Alan Tudyk was in it. I fucking love him and what made me heartbroken is when I read the reason that he could really

[00:15:59] be in this movie was because it was following the cancellation of Firefly the tv show he was on that my dad and I used to watch together all the time. I remember watching it with him and he was

[00:16:11] super excited every Friday because they were replaying it on Syfy and he just thought he really thought he was gonna season two. I just didn't have the heart to tell him until

[00:16:23] the last episode of season one happened and he's like okay well where's season two? I was like yeah by the way. You did him dirty Danielle. It was canceled. I believe I told him when we first started but he

[00:16:35] didn't listen like he wasn't paying attention and I don't think he thought he would get as invested. So that's fair. Why take the joy away? Well according to the director's commentary the roles of Peter LeFleur, White Goodman and Justin were written with Vince Vaughn, Ben Stiller and Justin

[00:16:55] Long in mind and Justin Long was because of his role in Galaxy Quest which is another movie we get to do. Yes another daddy movie. So Norm Macdonald can actually be seen in some of the GloboGym

[00:17:07] scenes. One of the GloboGym commercials where he's in the background working out and then at one point he's talking to some girl who's working out and it looks like he's hitting on her a little

[00:17:16] bit. I didn't see this. Yeah I gotta go back and look. I was trying to see it when I was watching and I didn't. I thought maybe I got distracted. Yeah that's there are some comments I have about

[00:17:30] the whole all the gym scenes in GloboGym but none of them had to do with Norm Macdonald. Oh Jackie there's a Veronica Mars reference. Yeah because Parker from Veronica Mars is in this movie as Ambrose and then Ken Marino who plays Vinny

[00:17:47] Vanlo in Veronica Mars auditioned for the role of Steve the pirate and also for the role of Roman Bridger and then for the audition he actually dressed in a full pirate costume. I wonder if

[00:17:58] he borrowed it from Veronica Mars since their high school were filming at the same time. Yeah well as much as I would have loved to see him in the movie I love Alan so. Alan Tudyk is greater

[00:18:12] than Ken Marino. Yeah sorry. I was gonna say I don't know if the role would have been the same with Ken Marino. No I do have questions though about his pirate character like we don't get

[00:18:25] any backstories like as to why he was like full-on method cosplaying and then why he doesn't show up at the end of with the game like and he doesn't show up to play and then he shows up it's like

[00:18:41] hey it's me. And he's all clean cut and stuff. Yeah I'm very perplexed about that. Childhood trauma. I know again I'm going out of order but also it really bothered me because Vince Vaughn's

[00:18:53] character LaFleur was like he doesn't show any emotions really this whole movie and then he finally has a bit of a breakdown and the first thing he does is get physical with Steve the

[00:19:08] pirate for no reason like he just ask a question. When this movie opens and they show Vince Vaughn in his apartment or in his house or whatever I was like that is Peter's house from Forgetting

[00:19:22] Sarah Marshall and I like literally took pictures and compared the two and it is a hundred percent Peter's house from Forgetting Sarah Marshall. So you know how much anxiety I had watching that

[00:19:36] beginning scene right? I wanted to get my duster, my vacuum. I wanted to clean so badly. You just blew my mind. I did not get that. Behind him is like the there's a room behind him and there's

[00:19:56] like a weird archway which is how I recognized it but I'm like it's crazy. 100%. I watch Forgetting Sarah Marshall a lot. And there's no like factoids about that. I wonder like is it just a set like one of these studios as Fox Studios have just a messy apartment.

[00:20:21] Well that's interesting. Yeah it's just hard to find pictures of it because most of them Jason Segel is naked in it. So we just put little black boxes or see we could take them out somehow and I don't know. Yeah Bridget Nielsen was actually

[00:20:43] briefly considered for the role of Fran and I could see that. Yeah I could see her playing that character. 100%. Especially like around that time she had a little bit of a resurgence

[00:20:54] because of Flavor of Love. The surreal life. Right. I love Missy Pyle in that. But she was on Flavor of Love too and then Bridget and Flav had their own show. So it's surreal life.

[00:21:08] She showed up on Flavor of Love and then or I don't know if they know they had their show together first then I think she did come on Flavor of Love once because I remember New York was pissed.

[00:21:22] Who would have thought the surreal life would have spawned so much shit and I believe that's why we have Basketball Wives and all that other shit is because of that one show.

[00:21:33] Yeah. I'm not mad at it because I will die for I Love New York. All right let's dive into this movie. So we were introduced to the two main characters so it's White Goodman played by

[00:21:45] Ben Stiller who owns Globo Gym and then Peter Lafleur played by Vin Swan who owns The Average Jones. Globo Gym is like this giant gym conglomerate. And then literally like LA Fitness versus Planet Fitness. Not even Planet Fitness. This looks like Rocky Balboa's gym from Rocky.

[00:22:15] Out of the first few scenes the thing that caught my eye the most was I was like they don't make aluminum foil shorts like that anymore. You catch the girl that was wearing heels while she was in the gym. She's legit like

[00:22:31] ripper stiletto heels like up in the gym. I'm like okay this is Globo Gym. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. And then Average Jones is just what it depicts like it's

[00:22:46] just a ragtag group of guys that just go and hang out. And they really become like a little like friend group even though they're all very eclectic and different. It's just like so what we

[00:23:03] get from Peter is that like he does not like his life. I know that's something. Peter just he's floating. He's yes he's floating on through. You hear him get that voice message that they're

[00:23:17] cutting off his power, cutting off his water, cutting off everything. And then he gets to work and he's just so happy and kind to his people. His co-workers and the people who work at the gym. And

[00:23:30] you see his relationship with every one of them as he's interacting with them. And you're like okay he's super sweet but like what's wrong with him? Why isn't he giving a shit? Well he explains to Kate later that like if you don't have expectations

[00:23:48] expectations or goals then you're never disappointed is kind of his philosophy of life. He never grew up in an immigrant family I'll tell you that. There ain't no way. But he's back at like he's so behind on his mortgage and everything but he did

[00:24:08] have the money to like prank White a bunch. And that's why White has this vendetta against him. And so and White is probably in more ways than one intimidated by Peter. Like obviously there's the height difference. It seems like he's got like the classic little man syndrome. Yes.

[00:24:32] So much self-tanner in this movie. It looks like he did at least try to lift some weights and I'm not sure if the tanner had a lot to do with making his arm cuts look a little bit more cuddly. Is that more?

[00:24:49] Defined is another way to say that. You've got great cuddly arms. Well and it's like we quickly find out that Peter has disordered eating. He used to be very heavy and now it's to the point where he just like smells food and apparently masturbates with

[00:25:09] food because he has such a fixation on food and denies himself of that instead of having a healthy balance. And he's very fat phobic but that's because he hates himself. So he obviously hates

[00:25:24] fat people and like you could see that in the way that he's talking to people in the gym, the way he talks about fatness and it's just a lot. It's a lot. I don't know if you caught it

[00:25:37] in the commercial. They had like the liposuction center and it was titled shame reduction. Yeah, crunch. He is just toxicity to the highest level, you know? Little man syndrome in every realm. Like he has like the Nike air palms but in his shorts so his

[00:26:00] penis bump looks bigger. I hate to even compare this to him just being short. This is like a whole nother level of shit wrong with this man. So you know we got some short kings listening.

[00:26:17] I don't want to make them feel bad but this guy's an asshole and he has very low self-esteem. And then like the hitting on Kate and she's like very obviously uncomfortable and like

[00:26:32] rejecting him and he just keeps going. I'm like okay like the no means no goes right over his head. It was this character was terrible. Okay, the character of Kate what I'm not getting is this.

[00:26:50] The bank sent you to go tell Peter, hey somebody hasn't offered to buy this shit. You're in foreclosure, you know? But her going through his papers and stuff like that I just don't know if

[00:27:05] that's something bankers would ever do. Or why she's indebted to white because the bank sent her. He didn't like he may have called and said hey this gym is way behind. Can we buy the gym?

[00:27:20] Pay the back mortgage on it and stuff. But like why is she indebted to him? She works for the bank. Yeah, it doesn't mean and she said there's a whole conversation where she says it too

[00:27:32] and he's still not getting it but she's still acting as if she owes him any explanation. Like if he calls he's just somebody like I do know that that banks do have high-end clients that they do

[00:27:47] cater to because they're going to spend so much money. So I can understand from that perspective maybe but like in his head about him being the boss it's like weird and I know that they also

[00:27:59] get like commission and stuff like that. So I think that might be her motivation but it's just still super weird and also I don't understand that explains why she's cool. Like she tries to be

[00:28:12] as professional with him but it doesn't explain why she's in that weird old closet of Peter's with all his papers that he hasn't filed since 1985. And also to note about Christine Taylor

[00:28:27] they had an 18 month old baby at home and she was so thin in this movie and I'm like girl take some time you just had a baby like be with the baby and they said like she was so exhausted she was

[00:28:40] falling asleep in between takes because she was taking care of the baby after shooting and stuff. Like why wasn't Ben equally tired? I mean obviously she's more tired because she actually

[00:28:52] had the baby and when you're you give birth after you have a baby it takes you at least two years for your body to physically recover from that. But even still why wasn't Ben tired? Yeah. Why wasn't

[00:29:05] Ben tired? He was too busy reliving his youth with the Tony Perkins character. I get it like he has recycled a few of his characters in the past like he had did that whole thing. I think

[00:29:22] even Tropic Thunder one of his characters was inspired by a skit he did on MTV with Tom Cruise or whatever and he's done a few skits of other characters like it's not out of the realm. Like

[00:29:36] Ted Lasso the whole idea of that tv show came from a skit that they did I believe with ESPN. So I get recycling characters but like that's a skit versus a full ass fucking movie. He should have

[00:29:52] just named the character the Saint Tony and just called it a day. Or had a throwaway line like oh I had to go into undercover witness protection or something because I used to be a camp counselor

[00:30:08] camp host. Or I became this competitive because of my cousin Tony's downfall and I had to beat him something. It would have been a good callback because when he talks about how he

[00:30:20] started the gym you know with his like grind and effort and also a large inheritance from his father. It's really funny if they said a large inheritance from his uncle Tony or something like that.

[00:30:34] Missed opportunities. So now Peter is 50 grand in arrears and so now they have to try and come up with that money to save the gym. White is trying to purchase the Average Joe's gym so the patrons

[00:30:51] of Average Joe's do rally. They're like we're gonna do a car wash and then we see titties and then and we you quickly realize like the girls in bikinis are across the street having a car wash and so there is only one man getting his car wash

[00:31:11] and poor Justin is just bent over washing a tire while the guy. While Gold Speedo. First of all. The guy is playing with his belly button and it makes me so uncomfortable. But he says something to him about go ahead get in there. Yeah like the way.

[00:31:35] And she's like knuckle deep in his belly button what's happening? My question is this did all of them coordinate and say yeah we're all gonna wear Speedos to wash the cars because they all

[00:31:50] wore except for Peter. Peter had like the whole shirt on like yeah. Vince Vaughn. I'll wash cars blue jeans it's fine. Vince Vaughn did not show his body at all. I thought at least maybe we'd see

[00:32:02] him in the assless chaps. Yeah. I don't know why in in my head when I originally saw this movie that they showed the assless chaps. Maybe there is an unrated version so maybe in that one I watched.

[00:32:16] Were there asses? I text Jackie about this because I've seen this movie easily a hundred times but I don't know that it I every time I see it it's on TV because I feel like it's on TV every week

[00:32:30] but I watched it yesterday and there were things that stuck out and specifically at this car wash the pubic hair coming out of Owen's Speedo. It was excessive. I didn't see that part.

[00:32:44] Andrew text messaged me his notes and I was like oh I clocked the pubic hair right away. I had never noticed it and I'm just like why? What movie was it that your mom had to watch? Oh Victor Victoria. And it's Lisa Ann Warren.

[00:33:08] Leslie Ann Warren. Leslie Ann Warren my man. She's doing like fly kicks. Yeah. And I don't even know if that was purposely done or if it was just the task. It was the early 80s. It was just come as you are. She was greasy with free brush.

[00:33:39] So the average shows quickly realized that having a car wash really wasn't fruitful and so they're trying to come up with other ideas. Someone suggests selling blood and semen. It was. Yeah. Which I was like not a bad plan. You're all guys. Right. You could probably make

[00:34:01] a good chunk of change donating blood and. Not $50,000 of it. Might get you closer though. I love that they took the bring it on approach of doing the car wash. Yes. But did not do well

[00:34:18] at all. Maybe they should have catered to their audience and had Justin get more belly button rubs. And then my next note is have you seen my stapler suggests dodgeball? Because I was like, is that Milton from office space? And Ken was like, yep. Talk about another

[00:34:43] sorry. He's got this glass. He looks exactly like him. Exactly. I was that was a little bit. That's another Jeff. I was just thinking this is another person that is playing the same character.

[00:35:00] Yeah, definitely. And that character was my dad every time he also they did not follow through with his character arc about his wife. No. Being such a philanderer. Like, first of all,

[00:35:14] I want to call CPS on those kids because what's wrong with them babies? They look so scared and sad. And then clearly his wife treats him like shit. And then when we get to the whole when they

[00:35:26] ask him, how do you how did you meet your wife and your kids look like you? He's like, Oh, this is my second wife. And he's like mail order bride. So let me find out your passport, bro. They decide that they're gonna do the dodgeball stuff.

[00:35:46] Yes. And so then we see is it Justin says like, there's an instructional video at at the high school. I'll get it for us. Yeah, because no one knows how to play dodgeball. Can you get your

[00:35:59] hands on that tape? And I am like, didn't the internet? Well, I guess YouTube didn't exist at this point yet. So or it was still really young. Yeah, I don't think it. I don't think we had

[00:36:15] YouTube yet. I'll look at it. Okay. So then we get the video and this is when we get our very fleeting Hank is area cameo. And he plays it plays patch someone patches a hula hand.

[00:36:32] patches a hula hand giving the the finer points of dodgeball and Andrew in lightness, what are the five D's? Dodge, duck, dip, dive. Okay, hold on. So dodge is dodge, right?

[00:36:47] The second one dip. No, dot is it? Duck is duck. Okay. And then what the only dip I know? You put your hands up on your on your hip when I dip you dip we did. That could be a dodgeball move. That would be my

[00:37:08] Quad City DJs were thinking about dodgeball. So we Yeah, we have Dodge dive. Let me see your dive. I would well soldier boy. As Superman. And then duck, dip and dodge. Yeah, so I guess he ran out of deeds.

[00:37:34] Well, in the movie or like in that video, he like kind of thinks for a second. Dodge. Yeah. This Friday, your favorite emotions are back on the big screen in Disney Pixar's Inside Out 2.

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[00:38:17] So then we see is it they have to go to regionals and try out where they have to make they have to make Yeah, they have to play a regional game and there's only one game left. And against some girl scouts. Yeah, for 17.

[00:38:35] And they lose epically. They do. But poor Bernice is DQ'd. I, I felt very uncomfortable about this scene because it felt like they were making fun of trans people in this scene. But also poor

[00:38:53] Bernice because her team was really upset with her. Yeah, what did they find in our system? It was I don't know. It was like three different kinds of steroids and a low grade beaver tranquilizer. Yes. Oh, there's so many things wrong on with that on so many levels.

[00:39:13] Oh, man. So they win by default. And of course, who strolls up? But I want to say Tony White. What? We can just call him Tony. White rolls up with his crew. And their their names. Straight lifted from American gladiators. laser laser razor I would be laser

[00:39:46] low key Star Trek reference. Andrew. I want to make my own but I feel like there's there's no eraser. Oh, and then we get introduced to I don't even know what her name Frau is that her name Fran Fran Frau is Austin Powers. Fran dodgeball or missy pile.

[00:40:11] And so we get introduced to I'm sorry, her name is Fran. Yes. Yes. I don't even know what her name, Frau? Is that her name? Fran. Fran. Frau is Austin Powers. Fran in Dodgeball or Missy Pyle. Yeah. I love her so much and- Jacked up team. Not great.

[00:40:31] All I could think about when I see her is bringing down the house when there's that bathroom scene with Queen Latifah and she starts doing her Taibo moves before they're gonna fight. That's all I ever see. And she also was in Galaxy Quest. She was.

[00:40:46] I just think of her from the Friends episode with Ross's bleached teeth. Why are your teeth so white? That's right. And then Peter walks out after they win into the back alley and Lieutenant Dan shows up. That's all I could think of.

[00:41:12] Maybe it's because I just went in and saw Forrest Gump in the theater, but I was like, that's Lieutenant Dan. And then- This is the only thing that ties them together is that they're in a wheelchair and they're both men of the armed services. That's it.

[00:41:29] I don't even think he's in the armed service. I think all his patches are from Dodgeball games. You're right. He bought a bomber jacket and sewed on his own patch. Well, he's got that little scarf that he wears all the time. Yes. What is it, pilot? Yes.

[00:41:51] He was also crotchety like Lieutenant Dan was. He was cranky. And then it took me a long time to realize that was Rip Torn. It wasn't until he really started talking. Who did you really think it was? I couldn't place it, because every time I've seen Rip Torn,

[00:42:08] he's not had long hair and stuff, but- Yeah. He had easily some of the best lines in the movie and they were so raunchy. Yes. When he talked about drinking his urine. Yes. I like it because it's sterile. What? Is that necessary?

[00:42:35] The line he had when he first got introduced to all of them, I don't know if they played it. I know they definitely don't. I think this is another one of like, man, I have not seen this movie on DVD or the unrated,

[00:42:46] because I don't remember him saying this, but he walked into the gym and said, I love the smell of queef in the morning. It's just like, what? Oh my gosh. When he meets up with Peter, he just rolls up on him and says like,

[00:43:03] that was the worst dodgeball I've ever seen. And I'm gonna be a coach now pretty much. And I'm just like, first of all, sir, why are you at this game? And do you do this all the time? Like, did he get paid? Like what is the agreement?

[00:43:22] For the love of the game, Danielle. So random. My question, if Troop 417 had won, would he have rolled up on them? No, because they were good. No, they were good. Okay, fair, fair. He saw a need and he was called. Yes. But the next scene is epic,

[00:43:45] because when that man pulled out all those wrenches, but it's like he purposely went after Justin. And so he was like, shouldn't we play with balls? And then he just throws that wrench at him. Doesn't give the boy a chance. And they were rubber wrenches in real life,

[00:44:10] but apparently the one that hits Justin long actually cuts his eyebrow like he's bleeding. Even though it was rubber, it was just like a hard one. So poor thing got real hit. I thought it was the largest one they had at his face. Yeah. It was so big.

[00:44:31] And like, no like, hey or anything, like at least in dodgeball you're paying attention. You're facing forward. Caught him way off guard. The cast did practice like for I think a month before the movie started to make sure that they were prepared for the sport of dodgeball.

[00:44:55] I love that they said the hardest part of filming this movie was trying not to flinch when they knew they were gonna get hit by a dodgeball. I would like, I would get in trouble being in this movie because I know they would choreograph things

[00:45:12] and I would have to get hit and my instinct would always, no matter what, would be like, I'm winning this. I'm catching this ball. Y'all ain't gonna hit me twice. Like I know that they would have to talk to me and say, look, we've already told you

[00:45:28] in this scene you get hit and you're out. We'll just give you a gummy and then you just. Oh, that might amplify my powers. From what I have witnessed, it puts you on pause, Danielle. I could drag you around anywhere

[00:45:52] and you'd just be wobbling in place like a. We get it, Bernie. So yes, Patches is now the official coach of the team and he's pulling out all the stops. Like he's having them like face backwards and they have to like jump and turn around

[00:46:13] and try and catch the ball and stuff. So he's putting them through their paces. At one point, Kate walks in to talk to Peter and she throws the dodge ball like a softball pitch and then says like she played softball for eight years.

[00:46:31] So now everyone's speculating that she's a lesbian because she played softball. Oh, so when she throws the ball, she throws it because White had brought like a life-size cutout of himself and apparently it has like a video camera in it to spy on them.

[00:46:49] And so they find out that she's like got a killer arm or whatever from that scene, but it knocks off his head so they can't like look at it. And he decides that they're going to play in the tournament as well because he has to stop them

[00:47:09] from being able to get the money because he wants to buy that gym out of spite because clearly he has enough money to buy any other place. Yeah, and it's directly across the street. He says he's gonna make it auxiliary parking, right? Yeah.

[00:47:25] And does Kate agree to be on the team at this point or are they still trying to convince her? I think they're still trying to convince her on that one. Yes, she says no after this. I forgot what, it's something that White does that pisses her off.

[00:47:40] And I think it's- He got her fired. Yes, he got her fired. Because he thought that would make her want to date him. Right, once he sees her arm, he's like, I'm sorry Andrew, what were you saying? No, you're right. Once he sees that she's got an arm,

[00:47:57] that's he's like, I've got to up my plan to win her over. You know? What are the say? So I'm not gonna lie, I have an entire list of White sayings that made me giggle when they said them and one of them was right then.

[00:48:12] It was gonna up my plan who said, no woman can resist when White Goodman puts on his shiny shoes. And that outfit, he shows up at her house and- It's a ditty official. Like it literally looks like one of the bad boy video outfits.

[00:48:31] It's white, it looks like if I put Vaseline on my body, I could slide right off that bitch. Yeah. One of my notes was White Goodman loves blouses. Oh, when I saw that scene, yes, right, he has ascot. He looks like Fred from Scooby-Doo. Yes!

[00:48:51] Thank you, that's what I was gonna say. If you put a side by side comparison of Freddie Prinze Jr in the live action Scooby-Doo and then Ben Stiller in dodgeball in this scene, twinsies. Yes. Did this come out after that though? Yeah, I think so.

[00:49:13] It'd be funny if he took that outfit from Scooby-Doo intentionally. I mean, even if it's not from the live action, the cartoon does dress exactly like that. Him and Michelle's outfits throughout the entire movie were just, ah, ah. When Michelle catches him with the pizza scenario,

[00:49:35] I love how he turns away and trying not to look. I think the other funny moment between him and Michelle that just had me dying was they broke into Peter's room in Vegas and he's waiting for Peter to come and he's sitting in the chair with the cigar

[00:49:55] and Peter's like, what the fuck? And then Michelle comes out of the bathroom and Peter goes, not Peter, White goes, oh, he's been having some stomach issues or whatever. And Peter goes, could you close that door? And then Michelle just does like a dead stare

[00:50:19] and doesn't move and Peter's just like, okay. He had on him, and I saw it for the first time here too, he has a giant chrome belt buckle that just says Michelle. I absolutely love it because the way he spells his name is just the me apostrophe Michelle.

[00:50:45] Let me get that belt buckle. Oh my God, absolute mess. And while Ben Stiller is shooting his shot with Kate and gloriously missing, Vince Vaughn shows up and this is when we get the nobody makes me bleed my own blood. And then Michelle shows up to collect him

[00:51:14] on a fucking Vespa. And he just. And the best part is like anytime Ken and I say, I see a Vespa, we go, ciao. It's so like in my head, Michelle shows up in the Vespa and I just hear ciao as like White gets on it.

[00:51:34] I love it's just a little guy and he like flips him off as they drive away. Because doesn't Kate like beat the shit out of him? Yeah, because he tries to like hit on her. My favorite part of this whole scenario

[00:51:51] is that she lets Peter come in our house and it's like what? What's going on in here? What's the explanation? I like unicorns. It's like if baby Heather had grown up money to decorate a house. It's a person who's obsessed with Lisa Frank and mermaids. Yes.

[00:52:16] Oh my God, yes. That's like there's seashells and it's a hot mess. And I love that for her. I love that on the outside she looks like normal hot girl. Yeah, I do say that her character is not just like typical. One dimensional.

[00:52:39] Right, like you learn some of her layers but I do wonder, does she talk to another woman? Does this pass the Bechdel test? She makes out with one at the end. She does, she does talk to another woman. She talks to her girlfriend and they make out.

[00:52:56] So I guess that counts. But it's at the very end of the movie. Other than Fran, are there any other? This movie passes three of three tests. Oh really? Yes. Okay. Has at least two named women in it who talk to each other about something besides a man.

[00:53:17] Kate and her girlfriend Joyce talk in the last minute of the film. By the skin of its teeth it passes the Bechdel test. Who fucking knew? Fast and the Furious it took you nine goddamn movies. And Dodgeball passes. Oh man, so tragic.

[00:53:38] So now we're at the tournament in Vegas. It's airing on the Ocho. We get Jason Bateman and Eric Cole as the announcers for ESPN 8, The Ocho. I feel like this is a trope because there's so many like sports movies where it's similar, where there's a real sports anchor

[00:54:03] and then there's a dumb dumb who doesn't know what's going on. Yes. And he plays this dumb dumb very well. He does and he looks so young in this movie. I'm like, I think it's just cause I've seen him

[00:54:15] in so much recently and he has his own podcast now and stuff and I was like, oh look what a baby you look like Jason Bateman. Because he was a, go ahead. I'm sorry. No it's fine. Really fun fact about this. I learned it listening to his podcast.

[00:54:33] His, he only filmed for like a day on this and when he did it, he didn't even know what the movie was about. Which is the wildest fact cause he absolutely nails it and like all of his like little lines. Yes. I love it.

[00:54:50] He's the best part of this movie. He is. My only note on him is Jason Bateman neck tat. And it's not a great neck tat because Daniel and I love. It's like fire, right? We love a well-placed neck tat and that's just not it. It's not.

[00:55:08] It looks faded too. Yes. It's a temporary tattoo. It's not great. Yeah. And I love that Gary Cole and Jason Bateman had to keep redoing their voice recordings for the matches because the screenplay kept changing during the shooting.

[00:55:24] So it was like, they record shit and then they cut it. And I imagine because like some of that stuff as much as you choreograph it, like something cool may happen and then it's like, well, we're keeping that in. Right.

[00:55:37] Now we need you guys to react to that, you know? Well, one of the biggest things was that they ended up changing the entire ending of the movie. So when it was first screened to test audiences the original ending had Average Joe's losing

[00:55:52] to Globo Jim in the final match. But after the ending was viewed negatively by the test audiences, the sudden death match was added so that Average Joe could win the tournament. And if you watch the closing credits and there's that scene at the end

[00:56:09] with White in his fat suit, he kind of goes on a tangent about the audience not knowing what they really want or what's really good and complaining. Like you like that they won, you guys don't know anything. So it feels as if he's speaking to the audience

[00:56:27] about that test that they had to change the script. Didn't know they roughed it. All I could get was the milkshake thing and he did. Oh, that was like disgusting. Cause it looked like he, I'm sure he told them make the fat suit have like real tits. Yeah.

[00:56:48] It's just, oh. There's one scene we missed and it's the whole backstory to Justin wanting to win over the girl who's played by Julia, Julie Gonzalo's character. She's a cheerleader. So he's trying to join, he tries to join the cheerleading team and one of the guy cheerleaders

[00:57:08] who's trying to pick with Julie, the captain, he purposely like tries to sabotage him. And I was really, really excited when I was putting the notes together and saw that Lori Beth, that Lori Beth Denberg from all that was in this movie.

[00:57:28] I was like, shit, I didn't remember her being in here but I love her. She's going to be so funny. That's what I thought. And I was so, so upset that you put this very funny comedic actress in this movie

[00:57:41] only to be just some punchline as a fat joke, essentially. It was so bad. And yes, maybe we sound real woke right now, whatever, fuck you. It was horrible. It wasn't a nice thing to do. And especially when we know that person

[00:58:02] has such comedic timing and is so funny. And it's just like, I think about what her experience as an actress was that here you are trying to find work and this is what your career ends up being that you have to play this.

[00:58:17] Even Missy Pyle, she didn't get to be funny. Like her punchline was just her makeup and how she looked. I know what we could do. We could give her a unibrow. And that's it. That's all they did. She's hilarious again. So funny. Ridiculous, such wasted jokes.

[00:58:41] So Owen orders uniforms for the average Joes but apparently he gets the boxes mixed up with another dodge ball team that is there. And so they come out and they have to be in uniform in order to play. And they're playing in the first round.

[00:58:58] I still don't think that should have passed because first of all, this is on national television and y'all are in, but it's Ocho. So it is the Ocho. It is the Ocho. And I remember this is when ESPN had like 50 channels at the time.

[00:59:16] So the joke does land from that perspective. What team was it that, because we have a list of teams. I guess theirs was just not on. That they played? The Lumberjacks. No, the ones that had- The hip hop, the very racially offensive one. Yeah. The skill killer.

[00:59:37] The skills that kills. This is where it started feeling basketball with the names of all of the teams and the cheerleaders in like the teams. They were in, go ahead. I didn't get, I didn't like that part. It just, I mean, I think it was more there

[00:59:57] for Jason Bateman and Gary Cole to make the joke. Yeah. Gotta love those classic dodge ball dancers. I'm like, okay. Yeah. I will say their fits were fly. Like- You wanted those hot pink fuzzy- I wanted a powder blue, boo-boo's best. Cause you know, I love the fooboo.

[01:00:21] I don't know what, if it was fooboo, but it felt foobooish to me. Oh, the skills that kills outfit? Yes. Yeah. All I got when I saw that was Jamie Kennedy in- Malibu's Most Wanted. I feel like Malibu's Most Wanted has come up

[01:00:36] in like the past four or five episodes. I'm putting it out there. I'm putting it out there. Don't you want Amber to be on the show, Jackie? Yes. Yes. But at what cost to me? Comedy cost. So out of the 32 teams in the tournament,

[01:00:59] 16 were identified by name or shown in the competition. They were the Average Joes, the Globo Gym Purple Cobras, the Flying Cougars Team Blitzkrieg, the Kamikazes Skills That Kills, the Las Vegas Police Department, the Lumberjacks, MILFs, Moose Knuckles, Clown Punchers, Mulchers, She-Mullets, Wedgies, Yetis and Pouncers.

[01:01:25] I didn't see any of these people. I guess it was just what the announcers are saying then, huh? Well, and they show a bracket briefly and I think you can read some of the names on the bracket. Oh, gosh.

[01:01:35] I want to say we only saw really the ones they played. I know, well, there was the Kamikazes that were doing the weird like stomach slapping thing in the locker room. We saw just more like cultural inappropriate characterization or caricatureization. That's a hard word.

[01:01:59] Later on, the leather, what do you call them? The BDSM people? Yes, they come with the Average Joe clothes on. Were they a team? Yes. Okay, because I was confused. Were they not? No, so when he gets the package with them,

[01:02:21] they do like a cut too of them getting the package with the Average Joe stuff. But I guess it was like a Las Vegas BDSM convention that was also in town. Yeah, but I never understood why they put it on,

[01:02:36] put on their outfits and why did they show up? Like, did they realize that, oh, they must have our stuff, it's at the Dodge Tournament? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't understand the putting it on either. Yeah, like you didn't need- Now you're just wearing my clothes.

[01:02:52] And like you already had all the leather to begin with. I like when Vince Vaught, when Peter takes off his chain and says, you must be daddy. That's so old guy. Oh, Steve the Pirate. So his outfit was the, he had the chaps.

[01:03:10] But he also, if you notice, he wears the leather mask for whatever reason. I'm like, that's gotta not be great for dodgeball. Why hinder your ability to see with a leather mask? They win their game and then they're able to switch costumes and they win again.

[01:03:29] And so essentially the next day, the championship is going to be them playing the Purple Cobras or whatever, Globo Gym. And that's when we get the scene where White shows up in Peter's room. Because I think they go to the bar or whatever to chill out.

[01:03:45] And when he, Peter's like, I'll be right back. And he goes back to his room and that's when White offers him 100 grand to just stop all this, lose. Give me your gym. Let me buy the gym from you. They were feeling real down

[01:04:00] because their coach got squashed by a giant sauce. That shit was crazy. And right before that, I just have a note that says, Patches has hookers. I had a note from right after they won the game that said, my sweet dick, it's magic.

[01:04:24] And also during the day in the tournament, we see Team Blitzkrieg and they lose. And then David Hasselhoff is their coach and he's yelling at them in German. I'm like, oh, the Hoff. Did that team breakout prayer over a photo of David Hasselhoff?

[01:04:46] I forget how big he is in Germany. It's crazy. So at this point, Peter is spooked, right? Because he's got the $100,000 and it's gotten into his head because someone said to him, you're the kind of guy that I don't see you falling through. I can't remember what happened.

[01:05:10] Oh, maybe it's White. I think maybe White says something to him that really- To convince him to take the money. Right, but all this expectations, this is not who you are. It's too much pressure. And so the next day, that's when he dips out

[01:05:26] and oh, the attack happens before he even, like he gets so agitated, he attacks Pirate Steve or whatever, and that's, that he leaves. What I don't understand, so I already talked about, I didn't understand why he attacked the guy. That was weird. But when Steve goes outside

[01:05:48] and I hope that's that man's name, because I've been calling him Steve the whole time. Okay, so Pirate Steve goes outside and he's just walking. It's fucking Vegas. Everybody wears weird shit in Vegas. Why does a random person in a truck throw like a milkshake?

[01:06:06] Like, is this glee? Are we throwing plushies at people? And they like call him a name and make fun of him. And it's just like, I don't understand these scenes. Yeah. At all. He had a giant knife on him like 90% of the time. Yeah.

[01:06:26] Don't fuck with Pirate Steve. I also like when after Patches died and like everyone's kind of like internally panicking, I think it's Milton says we're gonna have our taints handed to us. And we're all like, what's a taint? I don't know, but it doesn't sound good.

[01:06:48] Also we missed him going into his Hulk rage and winning. Oh my gosh. So there's a lot of moments where they all, almost everyone on the team, not everybody, but the good majority of the team has their moments where they are the last ones in the game

[01:07:06] and they have to win for everybody. So I liked with him being enraged and filled with anger and frustration. I think it's so funny because he's watching his wife flirt with some other man in the stands and those looks that is just so sad.

[01:07:25] Like they're telepathically speaking to him like, daddy, we love you, we're sorry. Don't be this. Yes. Oh my God. So it's the next day, Fran. Cause Owen plays grandma's boy. He's a cyborg. Yes. And then Justin is approached by Amber

[01:07:55] who was also in town for a cheer convention because they're down one member and so she needs him to stunt her. I think that's what it's called. Well, that was the callback joke. Yeah, cause his name is Dwayne, right? The guy who worked with Owen at the airport.

[01:08:12] Don't ask me why I know that. There's like one line that references it. I don't know. Owen works at the airport? Where is this coming from? It was something about like earlier in the movie where they were like, well, do you want to go back

[01:08:26] to working at the airport? And he goes, I don't want to go back to the airport. I do remember that, yeah. Yep, useless knowledge. But no, they run into them, the cheer, Justin and I think it's Justin, him and Kate

[01:08:41] run into both the guy and the girl cheerleader in the hallway and the guy is just a jerk to him. And Dwayne goes- This was not in my version, no? Dwayne goes, don't worry about him. He's probably gonna fall off a rollercoaster

[01:08:56] and break every bone in his body. And then she says, oh my God, he fell off a rollercoaster and broke every bone in his body. Yeah, I did not see that in my version on Hulu. We must have the unrated version. Yeah. Where did you watch it Amber?

[01:09:12] Or the Amber? I watched it on a DVD. Okay. Is yours the unrated version? It sure is. That's why. Another Empire Records episode. Yes. Ranch dressing. So confused. So Justin goes to help Amber at her cheer competition because she promises him it'll be done

[01:09:45] by the time the dodgeball competition starts. Which is weird because when they win and he's like, I gotta go to my game, she's like, oh, you're not gonna save for the trophy. Bitch, I told you I gotta get back to my game. Like what's happening right now?

[01:09:59] Did you fucking forget? I'm sorry, that really irritated me. I'm on a time crunch. I helped you. And that bitch was screaming from the stands, I love you. What? I'm in the middle of a motherfucking game right now. This is when they realize Peter's gone.

[01:10:24] He's at the airport. I didn't even write Lance Armstrong's real name. I wrote Juan Palote is at the airport. What? What is that a reference from? It means one ball and he has a coffee shop. But to be fair, he has a coffee shop here named Juan Palote

[01:10:42] which is how I refer to him in my brain. What was the scandal with him? Because did he do drugs? Yeah, he was doping but it was like the blood transfusion right before races. So they would take your blood out and freeze it.

[01:11:01] Basically like it oxidizes or adds extra oxygen. The same thing they did in that Icarus documentary that like exposed Russian Olympics. So technical about it. I get blood transfusions and all sorts of stuff all the time. It's fine, it's fine. So Lance Armstrong gives a speech to Peter

[01:11:28] and convinces him to not quit and go back and finish what he started. This is when the chat shows up too little too late although I still hurt him. And because they don't have enough players for the team because they're missing Peter and they're missing.

[01:11:44] They're missing three players but essentially there are two players down. So Owen has to play and then Justin comes in on time. So they're able to play even without Peter and Peter and Steve. But they've already said that they forfeit because they were down players until.

[01:12:02] Oh yes, you're right. Peter did need to show up to make up for it. They've already forfeited but Peter shows up. So they're like we can play and White throws a bitch baby fit and says no, they've already forfeited.

[01:12:16] And then is it Milton that knows the rules of dodgeball? And he's like technically we can petition the judges and they can overrule the decision. And so it's Chuck Norris is the final decision. Yeah. Fucking Chuck Norris. I was like that, the cameos are insane. So random.

[01:12:43] Well, and every time I see Chuck Norris my uncle is actually friends with Chuck Norris. So I always think of Uncle Pat. He was my uncle studied martial arts under Chuck Norris. I didn't know Uncle Pat can do martial arts. Oh yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

[01:13:00] He never showed, I guess I wouldn't see that. Show me your nun Chuck skills. I haven't seen Uncle Pat in so long. That makes me sad. Yeah, he studied under Chuck Norris before Chuck became Chuck Norris. And then like, even when my grandfather passed away

[01:13:20] Chuck like text messaged my uncle and was like I'm really sorry to hear about your dad and stuff like that. Can Chuck Norris be on the show? I would love to ask him about sidekicks with Jonathan Brandes. That's all I need to know. I don't know.

[01:13:34] Also, I'm not gonna go on that tangent. Also like the guy that played Keno in the Ninja Turtles movies. Uncle Pat also like studied martial arts with him. Interesting. Look at that. Full of secrets. So this is when Peter has Patch's scarf

[01:13:58] and it's like all gross and dirty and Patch's. I was like that too. Nasty ass scarf. Yes, and his face shows up and he's like giving him a pep talk. And all I could, I literally wrote shroud of patches.

[01:14:12] It looked like, why can't I think of the name of it? The shroud with Jesus' face in it. That's what it reminded me of. Peter don't care about how dirty that is. We already saw how nasty his house was. It's true.

[01:14:29] I just, I giggled with the message from Patches where at the very end, it was just like an awkward, okay, goodbye. It's me on every work meeting ever. Bye. Bye. Why, like in the whole training scenes that we got,

[01:14:53] never did we ever see him train blindfold, did we? No, but it was like he was taking the spirit of Patches and blindfolding himself with the scarf. In the very beginning, when he first dumped out all the wrenches. And he does that American flag thing.

[01:15:12] Yeah, and made him put it over his face. But that's like really the only reference you see. Cause he like starts to do this thing with his fingers. Like he's feeling, I'm like, what are you the avatar now? You about to bend? It's like energy. Great. Hot mess.

[01:15:29] So this is when it comes out or no, I guess. So they win the competition, him and Kate, like tag team it, White is throwing a, and that's when White starts divulging that Peter signed over the gym last night. And so it's too late for y'all anyway.

[01:15:46] And I'm not, I'm never going to sell it for five, $10 million or 50 million, $50,000. So, and then Peter said, well, I took the money that you gave me and I put it, I bet on us to win. And so that's. I don't even think is legal.

[01:16:10] I like from a sports. Pete Rose got in trouble for it. It is the definition of point shaving. Yeah, the sports betting. Yeah, you can't bet on yourself. And also if you win, nobody in Vegas is rolling out $5 million in a treasure chest onto the courts

[01:16:33] of the dodge ball tournament. Like none of this made sense. Also, he was like, well, I'm just going to buy a global gym. But if they're publicly traded, how do you know that your $5 million even enough to own a stake, a majority stake in this?

[01:16:50] Like give me a fucking break. I'm not a stock girly. I'm not a mathematician, but the shit ain't added up to me. Thank you. I mean, in Owen math, it's $50,000. Owen needs to go back to school because it's like we should just buy in Canadian money.

[01:17:13] It's more funny. Lord, Jesus helped a child. And this is when we find out that Kate is a lesbian or she has a girlfriend. She's bisexual. We find out. Now this is another scene makes zero sense. Kate is in a relationship. She has a girlfriend. Yes, she's bisexual.

[01:17:45] All she had to say was actually I'm bisexual. Why does she make out? With everyone? With everyone. Why does she end up making out with Peter to say, like is bisexual people don't say I'm bisexual. Let me make out with you to show you.

[01:18:01] Like what the fuck was that? A man wrote this movie. Right. 2004. And also like, is she Polly? Like, is she in an open relationship? Is her girlfriend cool with what's happening over there? I just had so many questions. I think Ben Stiller was just like,

[01:18:24] if you're gonna make out with Vince Vaughn in this movie, I would like you to make out with a woman because zero sense was made. I think it's a little bit of a justice for Christine Taylor. That's all I'm saying.

[01:18:37] And then the movie ends with the best goddamn part of the whole movie, which is a different drum by me first in the Gimme Gimmes. The end that is dodgeball. One last thing is when at the end he does turn,

[01:18:56] it seems that he turns all the average Joe, Globo gyms into average Joe's gyms. But you see Justin with the cheerleader girlfriend. What's her name? I don't know how much time has passed. Teen pregnancy. That bitch pregnant. And he's wearing a Letterman jacket.

[01:19:19] So I'm assuming they're still in high school. I didn't even notice that part. I was so happy with some of the show. She is rubbing her belly. I was like, wow, just teen pregnancy. Not that we're hating on it. It was just like, wait a minute.

[01:19:33] I've never seen this part before. Also, I don't remember when I watched this movie in the past, so it's not surprising. Everything was new to me. So sorry. Yes, this is dodgeball. We did it. It's done. Yay. I have a question for you both. Yeah.

[01:19:55] When did this movie take place? In what year? In this movie? When is it supposed to take place? Because there's a scene in the beginning where he shows a picture from 1987 and says, this was me six years ago. But there's flip phones and furry hats

[01:20:14] and there's just white Goodman. I'm really ADHD in this and hyper-focused. And found every, like Mona Lisa Smiles came out in 2003. Like when did this movie take place? Danielle, I'm going to text you the picture of Andrew's notes that he sent me.

[01:20:34] Oh, that's a thousand percent in there. I don't know. That's weird that he said this was me seven years ago. Maybe he was that, like, maybe he's saying that he was always, he was big just like from 87. I don't know. It's so weird.

[01:20:54] I didn't even think about that. Did you get the picture, Danielle? His little beautiful mind notes. Let me see. Okay, remember when we did the movie Seven? Yes. And I did that post on the killer's notebooks? Yes. That this is it?

[01:21:22] To be fair, I mean, I can send you the photo of my quote, my white sayings. Suffocated kumquat is on there. Timeline 1993? Question mark. Vitamin water. Oh, so you were putting the evidence that this is not in 1993. I found all the things. Lance Armstrong cancer wasn't announced until 96.

[01:21:51] The first flip phone wasn't invented until 96. I did question, I was like, how long has vitamin water been around? Because it seemed newer than 2004. Well, they could have been early investors and they paid for placement in this movie before. It started in 96. Damn.

[01:22:14] Also, I found out that YouTube started in 2005, December 2005. Okay, that makes sense. Any other fun facts we have? Andrew, any other things? No. We're gonna have Andrew become our producer and then he'll just do deep dives. Sorry, what'd you say, Andrew? I'll internalize all the rest of it.

[01:22:37] Okay. It was interesting that the global gem were the purple cobras and then the average Joes are similarly named to the GI Joe team and the cobra commander teams. Squadrons, what are they? Military things. The guys with the pew-pews, the pew-pews.

[01:23:05] Vince Vaughn said that he came up with the line, you had me at blood and semen, but then he later tried to get it deleted because he thought Peter would not have been that overly enthusiastic about playing dodgeball so early in the movie. What'd he say?

[01:23:20] He was like, I'm really phoning this in and I got excited in that one scene. Okay, so we talked about the script being written by the, it's the writer and the director who wrote the screenplay, but in 2005, two New York City screenwriters, David Price and Ashaka Thomas,

[01:23:40] filed a lawsuit in federal court against Fox and Thurber, claiming that there was copyright infringement of an unproduced screenplay that they had written, Dodgeball, the movie. So they alleged that there were a number of similarities in the plots of the two screenplays

[01:24:00] and that Thurber may have had access to their screenplay, which was finished a month before his and submitted to an agent whose assistant he was acquainted with. Lawyers for the defendants dismissed some of the allegations as coincidental. The two screenplays were the work of writers

[01:24:16] who use common formulaic elements. The judge denied the defense motion for summary judgment and ordered a jury trial. The suit was then later settled out of court. And you know, this is just a thing that happens in Hollywood. We get those twin movies

[01:24:31] where it's like damn near impossible. It's just really, I think it's really hard to keep an original idea or not to have your, as a creative, to not have your stuff stolen. Especially when you're having to shop it around to different studios. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:24:50] Ben Stiller actually broke three cameras in succession filming one scene and even hit his wife, Christine Taylor in the face in one of them, which I can see him. It's probably the background I'm behind right now. Yeah.

[01:25:08] I love how in the US the tagline was grab life by the ball, but in foreign markets, such as the UK and Australia, they changed it to grab life by the balls. Which makes more sense. Yes. America's so stupid. So stupid. Just own it.

[01:25:25] I just want to make a special shout out to a pal of ours. Dustin, you know what this is about. I don't want no baby juice. And if you have any comments or questions or you know, you have complaints or you love dodgeball,

[01:25:42] hit us up at nomorelatefees on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube, or threads. Let's get into those ratings. Andrew, we'll start with you. I mean, I think we all know this is a would buy, would buy again, never let it go, keep it forever. Never gonna give you up.

[01:26:04] Certainly let me down. It is a one and done for me, same day rental. It is in the vault and I never have to watch it again. And if anyone would like the copy that I purchased from Goodwill, let me know and I will send it to you.

[01:26:21] We can give it away. We'll do a giveaway. You want dodgeball, you got it. It's a two day rental because we've seen worse, Jackie. I know this one wasn't, it didn't, there's a lot of parts that don't age right, age well, but I did chuckle quite a bit.

[01:26:36] And I chuckled while talking about some of the lines. I didn't get the most Vince Vaughn, which made me sad because again, I felt like he was really phoning this one in Ben Stiller. Yeah, if it didn't have Ben Stiller in it.

[01:26:53] And actually I was talking to Nick about the movie and it was like, if they had just taken out that character and it was a character that was like, just like this corporate greed asshole, or even doing like a MLM herbal supplements gym douchebag.

[01:27:15] Like it would have been way more palatable for me. But if you disagree with me, which I'm sure the majority of you do, hit us up at our quick drop, 909-601-NMLF. Twat us at the Twitters, hem us at the threads

[01:27:31] and you can be featured on a future episode. And join us next week for some web slinging as we take on Spider-Man 2 with returning guests, Mike and Mike go to the movies. And Andrew, it was lovely. You didn't annoy Danielle with your quoting.

[01:27:47] You refrained, he was so worried. I must be like a villain to everybody. But thanks for hopping on. I think it was so much fun. Thanks for joining us. It was an absolute pleasure. I liked having you on. Yeah, it was a blast. Thank you for having me.

[01:28:10] Absolutely. We hope you had fun. Yes. Well, we're glad you had fun cause you just said it was a blast. So the... And as always be kind and rewind.